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  1. Here’s an observation about user traffic you may find interesting, given how much online censorship has been ramping up. Yes, yours truly has also been affected. These days, around 15% of my traffic is “organic”, i.e. via search. I run no ads, so the rest are direct visits, of which some, of course, may be due to bots. Furthermore, the distribution among search engines of my audience is around 85% Google and, this is quite interesting, 15% DuckDuckGo. Obviously, DDG doesn’t have a market share of 15%. (I get virtually no hits from Bing). Even when taking into account that my readers are more tech-savvy than the average, I’d say this is quite telling. If my site was not throttled, I’d have much more search traffic (it used to be around 40-50%), and the share of Google would be much closer to their market share.

    On a more positive note, traffic has been quite steady despite Google throttling me. Thus, what I have lost in “organic” traffic I’ve gained via increased user engagement. This is quite obvious by the increased reader activity as well. In fact, the Open Threads have never been as active as they have been in the last few months.

  2. Just so that you know what’s up: Reddit just wiped 2,000+ communities, including /the_donald: https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/reddit-bans-hate-speech-groups-removes-2000-subreddits-donald-trump-1234692898/
    YouTube likewise just deleted the channels of a bunch of my favorite creators. We’re seeing a massive censorship campaign. This is it. This is the big one. Obviously, there is no way there has been any collusion. This is a mere coincidence.

    EDIT: Stefan Molyneux is gone, too:
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/29/21307303/youtube-bans-molyneux-duke-richard-spencer-conduct-hate-speech

    At this point, you can probably safely assume that every controversial YouTube creator with 10,000+ subscribers who is still around is either controlled opposition or running a fed honeypot.

    1. Lol they actually banned r/gendercritical! That’s a feminist subreddit where they discuss how the trans movement harms women. So even feminists have to be censored if they’re not fully signed up to the new world.

    2. My interpretation is that the “progressive stack” aka. the “oppression olympics” puts women above trannies. The first commandment of feminism is that women > men. In the case of an m-to-f tranny, we’re not dealing with a biological woman, thus woman > m-to-f tranny. Furthermore, in the case of an f-to-m tranny, we’re dealing with some kind of gender traitor, so woman > f-to-m tranny. I’m not entirely sure if there is a transitive ordering following from this, though, mostly because those people prefer ad-hoc judgments of an arbitrary nature over codifying any kind of rules. However, I’d say the most plausible ordering is women > f-to-m trannies (empowerment?) > m-to-f trannies (at least they’re not men anymore; bonus points if they’ve got their dicks chopped off) > men. Thus, any place where this ordering is discussed, as opposed to blindly followed, is off-limits.

    3. Well that sub was mostly women complaining about cases where trans women > women. I think because trans people are currently the most visible and radical example of extreme sexual liberalism they are now more protected than conservative women. (Where “conservative” now includes liberals and left wingers that are sceptical about what’s going on).

    4. I didn’t know about those battle lines. My impression, though, was that there is a lot of pushback against m-to-f trannies competing against women in professional sports, so the progressive mainstream seems opposed to the idea that trans-women are better than women. That debate seems to have fallen by the wayside, now that we have BLM and Antifa rioting in order to secure a Biden victory come November, or something along those lines.

    5. At least you can go to https://thedonald.win/

      Not surprised this banning happened … reddit recently shut down r/TheWall (the page showing actresses who hit the wall)

      Guess reddit has gotta secure that Democrat victory in November (unless trump cancels the election haha)

    6. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the whole of bitchute scrubbed from the net eventually, what with the plethora of pro white content that can be found on there.

    7. The internet is becoming quite tame and boring. Regardless of your political opinion, it was much, much better when it was the wild wild west. I don’t even bother posting any stories of my nights out or more controversial opinions anymore because of how policed everything has become. Not only do you have to worry about bannings, but you also have to worry about your site being taken down, and even losing your job if too many people are against your content. It’s absolutely absurd .

    8. I discovered the Internet in the mid-to-late 1990s and was quite amazed by it as it seemed to have been exclusively used by pretty smart people. Then the floodgates opened, Adobe Flash got introduced, and the web turned pretty much into shit. The early commercial Internet was abominable. I didn’t even use it much for years, except for ordering books from the U.S. via Amazon. It only got interesting again for me once it had reached critical mass in the mid-2000s and you had non-mainstream people enter (the crowd of early adopters where simply relatively conformist and eloquent academic types, not 4chan shitposting geniuses) and change the tone of the conversation. Well, we’ve had a good decade or so. Now that the elites have figured out that they’ve dropped the ball, they’re pushing censorship wherever they can. Give it a few more years, and you’ll more or less only have the female Internet left, which consists of shopping, chatting, music, drama, and emotional writing. I’m not looking forward to that. I do think that a few niches of free expression will survive, and if only so that the elites can say that they’re not really engaging in censorship.

    9. There’s a channel called John Mark Says that has some interesting material, but I’ve had this exact thought about it.

    10. You better copy and paste stuffs you love reading now. I minor in History so I have the habit of archiving anything I find remotely interesting.

    11. YouTube likewise just deleted the channels of a bunch of my favorite creators

      Who got banned?

    12. @Aaron:

      “I didn’t know about those battle lines. ”

      Radical feminists are bitterly opposed to the trans movement for whole.host of reasons. They consider trans women to still be men, so want them kept out of woman only spaces. They worry about men pretending to be trans to get into women’s changing rooms/bathrooms/domestic violence shelters etc. A lot of rad fems are lesbians and are horrified that trans activists accuse lesbians that won’t date trans women of transphobia/bigotry. They also don’t like modern gender fluid theories because it conflicts with their own ideology. Rad fems don’t believe in gender roles or norms at all, so the idea that man can become a woman if he becomes feminine enough is seen as reinforcing gender norms.

      Because the trans issue is so controversial it’s becoming a major issue inside the left, with lots of previously mainstream liberal or left wing women siding with the rad fems against the new orthodoxy. It’s where the slur “TERF” comes from.

    13. yeah this really seems to be the end of the internet as we know it.
      next step will be that all of the major cloud providers, AWS, google, azure, will stop hosting anyone who has a “problematic” political opinion.
      Quite soon if you believe there are only 2 genders, you will be an outsider.
      The world truly is going insane

    14. By the way, I’m starting to download all of the videos which are still left and which interest me, and also all of Aarons posts as well (and some other blogs)
      It’s quite likely all of this content will be nuked quite soon.

    15. This is where extreme libertarianbots piss me the fuck off.

      They defend this kinda shit saying “It’s a private company, it can do what it want”.

      – And then you point out, what if its a monopoly?
      – Next canned answer “well make your own competitor”. You actually cannot. They fucking conspire to remove anyone that tries to compete.

      Libertarians seem to understand the horrors of a single political party controlling everything in communism, but have no issue if a single corporation (or part of corporations) control EVERYTHING.

      Like the word “private” has some magical property where 1 entity controlling everything is no longer an issue.

    16. yeah due to network effects social media will always end as a monopoly.
      the value of the platform are the users on it, so there is no way you can just make a competing platform, no one will use it if all of their friends are on the other platform.

      these things should be considered public goods by now, they are like a public space, and so just removing content they don’t like is censorship.

    17. yeah due to network effects social media will always end as a monopoly.
      the value of the platform are the users on it, so there is no way you can just make a competing platform, no one will use it if all of their friends are on the other platform.

      While true, that’s not the biggest issue. A competitor doesn’t have to be big and its ok if its smaller and people don’t use it because everyone wants to be at “the cool place”.

      The real problem is the blacklisting they do. Anytime someone creates a competitor, they gang up on the competitor and blacklist them. They make sure they can’t get hosting, then they make sure the mobile app can’t get on the playstore (banned from both android and apple stores), then they collude to make sure they can’t have any income (as 99% of transactions on internet controlled by only a few companies which are part of this silicon valley mafia).

    18. @Martin, it’s already happening. If I remember correctly The Pirate Bay and some of the incel communities were having a whole lot of trouble getting and staying hosted.

    19. The end goal of this ideology is obviously an orwellian communistic one party system. Jobs, capital, and even sex partners will be distributed by the party according to sex, race, height, iq,…. to guarantee maximum fairness and equality for everyone. And of course, some people will be more equal than other people. But that’s not a problem, for those people there will be free “training”

    20. The Greek playwright Aristophanes wrote a play on that, Women in Power. It describes how society would develop if it was run by women. He describes full-on socialism. Among others, the women in power also decided that any man who wants to have sex with the most attractive women must have sex with unattractive women first.

    1. That’s what 30 years of feminist propaganda has done to men.
      They are so brainwashed now that they actually enjoy being humiliated and used by women.
      It’s mind blowing how cucked the west has become.
      Kinda like the stockholm syndrome.

    2. I think they are getting the terms mixed up.

      From what I’ve read, “hot-wifing” is when a guy is not submissive nor gets hurtful pleasure from seeing his wife bang another dude. He actually enjoys it – like letting your dog play with another dog. Cuckolding is where it actually bothers you but your derive pleasure from it somehow – or so they say.

  3. I have a question to ask:

    According to seductiomyth, there are only 2 things that truely attract a woman’s attention: Resourcea (money, power) and looks (height, musculature, facial symmetry).

    Why doesn’t intelligence attract female intention. Unless such an intelligence can be transformed into money, it is useless. Why is this the case? Isn’t married to an intelligent man means her offspring may do rather well in life?

    Is it just the way women are built? IS Is it the case that there is no solution to this question except “That is the way it is”.

    1. Intelligence can make you even more attractive if they already find you attractive physically.

      By itself it doesn’t help much as people have difficulty relating to people with a large difference in IQ to themselves. People usually partner with someone of a roughly similar IQ to themselves because they’ll enjoy each other’s company more.

    2. Intelligence makes you attractive to a woman who is able to appreciate it and that takes an above average IQ. That being said, if you aren’t able to turn your sky-high IQ into something tangible, it won’t help you at all.

    3. Man, this looks thing really makes me feel disappointed about myself. I am only 5’9. Sure in my country that height is rather tall, but in the US, that is below average. My face is not ugly, but not handsome either. I am myopic and wear a glass. Look probably like a dork in American culture (they really hold sports in high regard, yet contempt intellectuality, the opposite of the culture of Vietnam).

      As if that is not enough, I have strong ability in fields that do not earn great money. Sometimes I feel I am cursed that I am good at linguistic acquisition, because if I am good in Math, I will definitely make infinitely more money.

      I used to ask my mom should I major in Accounting, but she said “you were slow with numbers, forget it.”

      That is why I think intelligence is useless. Good genetics in muscle composition may give you a more satisfactory sex life.

    4. You would probably have made a decent accountant. An IQ of around 105 is probably enough to be above average in that field. I took an Intro to Accounting class at university, by the way. I got an A with a modest amount of effort while about half the students failed. That was when Germany had open enrollment, but it was still telling because back then the hurdles to get into university were quite high, considering that only about 1/3 of each cohort graduated high school (the German “Abitur” ranks far above the U.S. high school diploma in terms of difficulty and material covered, so the comparison isn’t fair), and only about 1/6 of each cohort finished university. Today, standards are far lower, and graduation rates much higher.

    5. Intelligence without achievement isn’t worth much, regardless of how much a gifted individual may enjoy his intellectual pastimes. Evolution also answers your question: women select men based on tangibles, i.e. looks and/or status/money. If you achieve success without a high IQ, you clearly have what it takes to get ahead and the same is true if you achieve something in life with a high IQ. In contrast, if you’re not successful, it doesn’t matter whether you’re smart or not. She’ll just view you as a loser. That doesn’t mean that guys in that category can’t get laid based on looks, though.

    6. “You would probably have made a decent accountant. An IQ of around 105 is probably enough to be above average in that field. I took an Intro to Accounting class at university, by the way. I got an A with a modest amount of effort while about half the students failed. That was when Germany had open enrollment, but it was still telling because back then the hurdles to get into university were quite high, considering that only about 1/3 of each cohort graduated high school (the German “Abitur” ranks far above the U.S. high school diploma in terms of difficulty and material covered, so the comparison isn’t fair), and only about 1/6 of each cohort finished university. Today, standards are far lower, and graduation rates much higher.”

      I used to take classes at Community College of Philadelphia. I took Accountant Intro. I got a C. I took Calc 2, got an A with a stellar comment (I still think I am average, lacking any kind of inner feeling for Math. My father, someone who was selected into a special school for Math students, also said that I am not cut out for Math, that I only possess certain ability in logic, and you need much more than that to succeed), I took an English class as compulsory, and my teacher said he would not be able to write like I did in a second language (I still commit grammatical errors if I write something without revising).

      Clearly, I am not cut out for to be an accountant.

      I used to interested in Programming. But my eyesight is weak, very weak. It is genetic. I could become blind if being forced to sit in front of a computer.

      I used to work as a bank teller for 2 years. They all said while I was very friendly and intelligent, I sucked at talking to people. They said I spoke like a robot.

      About your achievement, I greatly admire you not because of your IQ, but your dedication to study. Lots of hard work must go into that to achieve what you have been able to achieve. You are good at Math, languages, Philosophy, even some decent knowledge of History (you told me through our email exchange that you took some classes on Medieval history). I think your IQ must be around 140-150 range.

      I am thinking of working for the government. They may need someone with language expertise. Then I will save money as much as possible and visit escorts. Sometimes I get turned on by this very thought 🙂

    7. Dude, if you got an A in Calculus II but only a C in Accounting, you were either lazy or your teacher sucked. You can bet that the average Accounting student, heck even most top students in that discipline, won’t be able to get an A even in Calc I.

      If you manage to turn your native-language ability into a competitive advantage, you’ll have a golden ticket in your hands. There are probably some opportunities for Vietnamese native speakers. Just anecdotally, I’ve heard of people who got excellent jobs in Germany because they were fluent in Russian (think politics, public relations, but also industry). Also, the German government has hired a lot of people who are fluent in Arabic and other non-Western languages. In China I met a few Germans who got great jobs, largely based on their language ability. They were working for German companies in China, though, not for Chinese companies doing business with Germany.

    8. “. Just anecdotally, I’ve heard of people who got excellent jobs in Germany because they were fluent in Russian (think politics, public relations, but also industry).”

      Interesting, I can speak some rather basic Russian. I love Russian language. However, given the proximity between the US and Mexico, it makes more sense to learn Spanish.

      I still don’t have much motivation to learn Spanish, probably because there is high cultural achievement in the Hispanic World (probably a swift generalization). 🙂

    9. Aaron,
      “…if you’re not successful, it doesn’t matter whether you’re smart or not. She’ll just view you as a loser. That doesn’t mean that guys in that category can’t get laid based on looks, though.”

      If a woman is hooking up with Chad casually (nothing serious long term), would she view him as loser despite not having any real-world accomplishments in life?

      I’ve often seen women who often support guys who they considered to be attractive. Thus, they complain how their man is a dead beat, lack aspirations in life, yet they continue to hook up with them. In the end, they play the role of victim how they got taken advantage financially. The hypocrisy of women, complaining that they were taken advantage when they themselves take advantage of men on a continues basis without remorse.

    10. It’s quite possible that they view those guys as losers. Then again, it doesn’t really matter in those situations as the guy just wants to get laid. However, those women may attempt to help Chad get back on his feet. When I didn’t work and spent some time in Berlin just partying and fucking, I met a few women like that. It’s quite alienating when a chick you’ve been banging for a few days suddenly shows up with print-outs of job ads.

    11. I would add the following/spin or angle on this, because a lot of people are missing it, because it’s an exception, albeit an important one.

      You see… the ideal mating strategy for a woman isn’t to get an already successful guy. The ideal strategy for a woman is to get a guy who has the potential for success and catch him early.

      Women who are able to recognize potential in a man get better outcomes than those who try to get men who have already achieved their potential.

      In that sense, an intelligent guy who hasn’t turned that intelligence into real-world success can be a great catch. He’s a discounted item that she can get at a discount and end up with a higher-level mate than otherwise.

      Most women don’t do this though. Why? Because society (and biology) promotes instant-gratification among other things. You have 60 girls fighting over the guy who made it, while there’s no competition for the guy who’s about to make it.

      Women who manage to catch the latter while he’s still not experienced with women tend to “profit big” in the mating game.

      I think Aaron has talked about guys like these in the past. They’ve been in a relationship with the same woman from before they made it in life, and don’t realize that they could have much much better than her. And such a woman will make sure the guy doesn’t know.

      Examples include things like high-earning engineers who never had a single girlfriend before their first girlfriend, and don’t realize they’re much more of a catch now, than they were before they got with her. She got them “at a discount”.

      That’s why you’ll notice (at least I have)… a lot of experienced conniving women hunting for techy guys. Like she’ll bang dozens of chads, and then at then at least year of university throw herself at some dude with good grades/future in IT.

    12. “Most women don’t do this though. Why? Because FIAT MONEY promotes instant-gratification among other things.”

      there, fixed it for ya

    13. @ Alek Novy

      I am expecting your answer on this topic. I really like your style of argument, very clear and to the point.

      You are right, opportunistic women will aim for guys who have the potential to do well.

      “That’s why you’ll notice (at least I have)… a lot of experienced conniving women hunting for techy guys. Like she’ll bang dozens of chads, and then at then at least year of university throw herself at some dude with good grades/future in IT.”

      Thank you for pointing this out. I find these women disgusting. They straddle between two horses. If I am a guy with a potential, I don’t mind being pursued by a girl who has kept her legs together and waited out for a great guy, or her “Mr Right”. But these ex-party chicks really send a sense of disgust down my spine.

      I am waiting for Sleazy to have time to come back and post some comments. It seems he is very busy right now! 🙂

    14. I am waiting for Sleazy to have time to come back and post some comments. It seems he is very busy right now! ?

      I’m sure he blocks time out of his schedule for paid consultations. So you can book one (or a bundle) of those.

    15. FIAT MONEY promotes instant-gratification among other things.”

      there, fixed it for ya

      1) Fiat Money is part of modern society
      2) Instant gratification drives are millions of years old

      We find them when doing experiments with primates. Fiat money didn’t create instant gratification.

    16. Aaron, Alex
      “… (and biology) promotes instant-gratification among other things.”

      “Instant gratification drives are millions of years old”

      Would this suggest that women are more promiscuous and scandalous by “nature” than men are since women have poor impulse control (all driven by biology)? Unfortunately, society has always promoted that women are virtuous by nature.

    17. I’d say that’s a relatively recent phenomenon. You don’t have to go far back into history to find much different views. Heck, just look into how Muslim societies work.

  4. “Dude, if you got an A in Calculus II but only a C in Accounting, you were either lazy or your teacher sucked. You can bet that the average Accounting student, heck even most top students in that discipline, won’t be able to get an A even in Calc I.”

    Man, I was working hard on all 5 subjects for that semester. Calc II is not that difficult, it is probably covered in your German high school curriculum. The most difficult part is infinite series, but I actually love it most. Did try to explore some further topics like the Riemann integral, especially the Lebesgue integral but got bogged down soon enough due to severe lack of foundational knowledge.

    For Accounting, I find the textbook rather difficult to follow. We have lots of concepts to memorize, and to me many numbers just come out of nowhere, which greatly confused me. I don’t to blame it on my teacher, probably because I am not good at Accounting. It seems that you rely a bit too much on IQ. I don’t know anything about IQ, I just think that, given the same IQ range, some people have aptitudes in different fields.

    Accounting needs different skill set than Math though. You have to have a mind of an inspector to do well. You must be sensitive to numbers, do mental math rather quick, nothing fancy, just add, subtract, multiply, divide. Apart from mastering the GAAP (in the US) ant tax regulation, you have to also be able detect strange things deep inside the data. My mother was a tax inspector for our Central Tax Bureau in Vietnam so her evaluation convinces me that I am not born to be an accountant. Also, if you let me choose between Math and Accountant, I’ll probably pick Math. 🙂

    Just wait until I can find a new temporary job then I will book at least one coaching session with you. You seem to be a highly intelligent and considerate individual.

    1. “Man, I was working hard on all 5 subjects for that semester. Calc II is not that difficult, it is probably covered in your German high school curriculum. ”

      I find the sequence of Calc I and Calc II, maybe Calc III (I haven’t taken it, I tingle with double integrals when I find out the standard normal distribution function can be integrated like an algebraic function, albeit employing double integration method) is really about techniques then about logical understanding.

      I would say I hit the wall with Math when I encounter Analysis. I have tried to read some books on Analysis I, but don’t understand much. Heck even a simple proof of square 2 is an irrational puzzled my mind. I am very inexperienced when it comes to writing proofs in Math. This doesn’t help much after the arrival of the French group Nicolas Bourbaki, who introduced much higher formalism to Math. That’s why I think I won’t be able to pursue a Pure Math or degrees that require a good level of rigor in Math.

      The downside of not entering a specialized school for Math students is that you are not introduced to advanced topics at a young age. Your mind at that time is very suitable for Math conditioning.

  5. Do you guys enjoy watching girls fight each other? Arguments, MMA, street fights etc. I think many men have a primal instinct to enjoy it.

    LOL probably because when girls get along and have a plan, it means something bad is gonna happen!

    1. Well foxy boxing and oil wrestling exist for a reason I guess. There’s quite a lot of content that might interest you on Pornhub.

    2. girls who are fighting are cute. (at least if I also find them hot. ugly girls fighting are just annoying lol)
      I think it highlights their childlike attitude (because when girls fight it is more like play, they cannot really hurt each other a lot because they are too weak in general) and also evokes the instinct to step in and discipline them.

    3. I saw a couple of girls fighting in downtown San Diego one time. It turns out they were sisters. Their stuff was scattered all over the place, wallets purses etc. One girl’s shirt popped open. Haha, it drew a huge crowd.

  6. Another true blackpill story from my life:

    A buddy of mine got married ~5 years ago to a russian woman.
    (and no, she wasn’t hot, just average)
    They married so that she could stay in Austria.
    First red flag already there..
    (of course my buddy ignored my warnings that she is just using him to get into Europe)
    Three years into the marriage, buddy told me that she started to act very “strange”.
    She got very distanced, told him she needed “freedom” and “space”.
    The typical woman bullshit when she is not attracted to you anymore but not honest about it.
    Then all of this culminated when he found evidence that she had sex with another man.
    (it was not 100% evidence, but in my opinion, very clear, e.g. he found a bill
    of the day-after pill on her tablet)
    So, I told him, he needs to get a divorce. I really tried to be as objective as possible
    in helping my buddy. I even considered that he didn’t tell me everything, and he also
    did something wrong in the relationship, just to be fair.
    But considering all of the evidence, divorce seemed to be the best option.
    I told him, just to suck it up, divorce, and then he would only have to pay alimony for
    5 years and then be free again.
    But his ego got in his way. According to him, getting a divorce would “to admit my mistake and that I have failed”
    It’s the sunken cost bias in action.
    But it gets better.
    My buddy (still married) left the country, to work in another country also in Europe.
    In that other country, he found a new girl interested in him.
    But the idiot told her that he was married, so the girl wanted to have nothign to do with him.
    I told him, he should not have told her that he was married, just get a divorce, and then maybe do something
    with the new girl.
    And then, my buddy came to visit me in Austra, and droped the bomb.
    “My wife is pregnant!”
    I was like, WTF man, didn’t you want to get a divorce just a few months ago?
    Then he told me the story, that his wife told him that she couldn’t get pregnant because of some
    biological reasons… and the idiot believed her and fucked her without a condom.
    So now he has a kid, and a wife, and he didn’t want either.
    If he gets a divorce now, he was to pay for the kid for the next 25 years.
    His life is ruined.
    Because he makes quit a lot of money, and she doesn’t make any, he has to pay her now
    almost 50% of what he makes for the next 25 years.
    And all of that for a few times of sex.
    For that money, he could have fucked a very hot escort twice a week, without any bullshit.
    TLDR:
    Never trust women.
    Don’t marry.
    Get a vasectomy (unless you REALLY want children)
    Escorts are much cheaper than marriage in the long run

    1. I think fear would be too much.
      Most of the above could have easily been avoided if my buddy had used his brain.

      If you don’t marry and always use safety when having sex (either condoms or vasectomy) there is not a lot of risk.

      But, even just interacting with women seems to become more dangerous in some parts of the world. Especially if they know you have money or status.

      That’s another reason why I prefer escorts, there is zero risk of pregnancy and false rape accusations.
      (An escort could in theory accuse you of rape, but 99.9% of these women don’t want anyone to know that they are whores, so they cannot accuse you without admitting that to the public)

    2. I recall coming across stories of strippers and prostitutes who deliberately got pregnant in order to get child support payments from a rich guy.

  7. BBC bans BLM badges after movement criticizes Israel in support of Palestine:

    http://archive.ph/Utm5G

    Looks like you can say whatever you want about whitey, but when it comes to they who shall not be named you’d better btfo. How telling.

    1. @Pickernanny:

      Ah, this may explain why we are now seeing 100% news of COVID-19 second wave and “SHUT IT ALL DOWN!” all over the place instead of the BLM and anti-racism stuff.

    2. @Yarara

      Is that so? I’ve been avoiding mainstream media but now that you mention it, some Twitter accounts I follow do seem more focused on fighting back against the second wave narrative.

      In other news, CHAZ or CHOP was disbanded after they decided to encroach upon the mayor. Though apparently, police were reportedly told to stand down in NY as CHOP 2.0 was being assembled. Maybe they’ll take over Trump Tower lol.

    3. @Pickernanny

      Errr… You lost me… Are you referencing something I commented on another thread?

    4. This is also a common phenomenon: the Left stirs up chaos but they cannot control the results. In the case of BLM, the idea was certainly not that they’d push an anti-Israel message. I find it quite amusing. The same logic also leads to lefties ending up under the guillotine.

    1. His interview with his daughter was pretty cringe worthy, I felt. I wish she would just move to the side and stop vying for attention.

    2. Even before his latest stint in rehab he looked quite old for his age. It seems he’s been missing his child blood transfusions.

  8. You guys ever noticed the connection between good human beings and hard work? The people I know at work who bust their asses are always nice people. The ones who are scum bags never work hard, throw people under the bus, kiss managements ass etc. Unfortunately these assholes sometimes get promoted.

    Good people are hard to find in this world. So, if you know any you should bond with them. Friends, family, co-workers……..and if you meet the right girl hold on to her! Or you’ll end up with some BITCH!

    1. I’d say you’re onto something here. Your best bet is to identify those people early. For instance, I keep notes of anybody who makes a (non-ironic) statement on diversity or recites obvious PR statements. Some companies are doomed though. For instance, if the official stance of your employer is that they are “apolitical”, yet they wave the tranny flag and the corporate Intranet is full of anti-Trump/BLM/Antifa messages, you better fly fully under the radar. Heck, you may even make the occasional “right-side-of-history” comment yourself. In the end, you probably want to get out because it’s not good for your mental health to work in that kind of environment.

  9. I wanted your guys’ input on escorts vs. Sex Dolls. I was thinking about getting a sex doll as i’m inexperienced (5 women, 27 years old) and want to get more comfortable with the physical act of sex, whereas escorts could get expensive in the long run.

    Based on my current income, I could invest in escorts 1-2x a month, until my income scales, or pay the $2000 for a sex doll now and venture into escorts in a year or so when I could visit them more often.

    Appreciate any input.

    Appreciate any input from you guys.

    1. Five women isn’t a bad number. It’s about the lifetime average for men. As you clearly can get laid, I’d suggest you get yourself a girlfriend or a fuck buddy and just bang them as often as you can. What you want is a chick with a high sex drive. They’re really poor candidates for marriage but great to get experience in the bedroom.

    2. I don’t think the current level of sex dolls are worth it.
      They still miss a lot of basic ai to interact with you, like synchronized moaning, giving you a blowjob and reacting to your responses and so on. Or just looking you into the eyes with a lustful look.
      Escorts can provide all of that.
      Also cleaning the doll each time must suck as well.
      But I hope in 10 – 20 years the dolls will be much better

    3. @Martin

      Hey bud, I appreciate your input. Yea they’re still not A+ but I came across a site and had been thinking about it for a while.

      And I didn’t necessarily mean lower my standards to unattractive. But there is definitely some ego preservation going on. I have been lucky to have had attractive girls be into me for one reason or another, and doubt i’d randomly find similar quality on dating apps/online.

  10. Thanks Aaron, I appreciate the advice. I have gotten laid but i’m just kind of tired of the long droughts between lays. I haven’t had alot of sex though about 1 or 2x with each girl which is why i wanted that experience.

    The girls I have been with have been above average- hot, do i temporarily lower my standards in order to get a fuck buddy, not interested in a girlfriend at the moment, or keep pushing through?

    I’d love to hear others input though!

    1. Are you actively trying to get laid?

      I don’t think lowering your standards is good advice. How are you going to force yourself to want to have sex with a woman you’re not attracted to?

    2. I agree with Aaron that lowering standards is a stupid idea.
      You will just be disgusted with yourself afterwards.
      If you even can get it up.
      And if you can get it up, then I would argue your standards are more an ego obsession with dating hot women, and not your biological hornyness.

    3. @Aaron “Sleazy” Elias

      The more I think about sluttiness, the more I am unsure of the metric of observing how fast a girl sleep with you.

      I mean, just because some girls take 5 dates to sleep with you doesn’t mean she will do the same with another guy. One rule for a man she likes, another for a man she uses.

      I recount one instance where a girl has sex with her now boyfriend relatively quickly, yet they have been dating for almost 6 years now. I don’t directly know her, but my siblings used to live with her under the same roof.

    4. Good point

      I believe all women (very few exceptions) have a guy they’d sleep with at the drop of a hat. So yeah, just because a woman isn’t easy with you, doesn’t mean she’s not easy in general.

    5. The converse also holds: Just because a girl fucks you right away doesn’t mean that she does so with every man.

    6. @ Alek Novy:

      Isn’t that the gist of seductionmyth, that looks determines your chance of getting laid quickly? A woman can lie in bed with a man to whom her attraction is so high that she just want to sleep with him as instant as possible, can’t she?

      As for this part:

      [quote]So yeah, just because a woman isn’t easy with you, doesn’t mean she’s not easy in general.[/quote]
      Do you know how can I detect a girl’s easiness in pre-sex stage? Or this is just out of question and can only be obtained through experience?

    7. “The converse also holds: Just because a girl fucks you right away doesn’t mean that she does so with every man.”

      I am genuinely confused. You said in another post that:

      ““There is nothing “special” about being used. Women who engage in ONS and flings are simply trash and unfit for a serious relationship. ”

      https://blog.aaronsleazy.com/index.php/2017/05/03/the-open-thread-may-2017/

      Maybe I am just to thick to understand the nuance here.

      So you say that there are some who are worth being in a relationship with, and many with whom you should just pump and dump?

    8. Just introduce her to a chad friend and see how much her behaviour changes around him.

    9. “Just introduce her to a chad friend and see how much her behaviour changes around him.”

      Well, right now, you guys are the only Chads or ex-Chads that I know across the internet.

      I used to know a guy who dated tons of attractive Chinese girlfriend (much more attractive than the normal Asian girl that white expats dated, some are even models). My best friend told me that he was well-articulated, and his level of Chinese was very good for a Kazakh. But he is like 1m9 tall. His face is not too handsome, but with short hair, he has a masculine look. I noticed that he reas your body language and micro-expression rather well. I used to be very happy to go on date with this Chinese girl and the moment I stepped into the escalator, he saw me and immediately asked if I was on a date.

      I have seen girls who walked with him to his room and they couldn’t take their eyes away from him, like he got all their attention. My friend also told me girls gave him undivided attention. I was very intrigued by him and I decided to come to ask him what was his secret. He gave me a small advice: “It’s how much you know about her, how much you find out about her, not how much you want to have sex with her.”

      The I came here over your blog and saw that you guys pull girls like madness, without ever “getting to know them”. I think it is essentially the cultural difference between China and Western countries.

      He also said he couldn’t teach you how to talk to girls, because that depends on your “logical thought”.

      The guy above also said he got laid easier with girls from abroad than traditional Chinese girl.

      Till this day, he was the best Chad that I know. He was very masculine though, practicing MMA and kick-boxing. He told me he watched lots of Chinese romantic movies, comedies and other entertaining series, he wanted to fit into the type of guy that Chinese girls find attractive.

    10. That guy gets laid because he’s 6’3″ (1.90m) and masculine-looking, not because he makes a great effort getting to know them. I’m not sure if this guy wanted to be polite or was genuinely deluded with regards to what made those women attracted to him.

    11. “That guy gets laid because he’s 6’3″ (1.90m) and masculine-looking, not because he makes a great effort getting to know them. I’m not sure if this guy wanted to be polite or was genuinely deluded with regards to what made those women attracted to him.”
      Don’t know man, I was only an outsider observer, and the most noticeable thing I see is that girls never take their eyes away from him. I couldn’t hear all of his conversation.

      I used to tell my friend that he got girls because he was very tall, but then my friend countered me by stating that why there were other tall Kazakh guys yet no-one could date so many good looking girls like him. And I couldn’t respond.

      One thing that is mysterious about this guy is how could he meet these girls. He got a motorbike. But my friend told me that he dated Asian girls from wealthy families.

      He did tell me he get ONS from time to time. I think he dated these chicks for a while until they got comfortable with them. From my friend, I knew that he lied to girls that he was a son of a man who worked in petroleum company or some craps like that.

      His success do include girls not exclusively Chinese though. I met an American girl of Colombian descent who came from California. He introduced her to me. She is also very attractive.

      I mean, if he got laid because he could talk to girls, then why if I repeat exactly what he said, I couldn’t get laid like he did?

      I can only think that his Chinese is very good, this means he has an advantage of being able to communicate with them. But that just facilitates the whole interaction for him instead of creating any kind of attraction, which what I have learnt from your side and seductionmyth. It is easier for him to text them, talk to them, get them comfortable around him, but if I chop off his legs to 5 meters then all that stuff won’t help him at all. That’s my thought after I read your blog.

    12. Man, outside of this blog and seductionmyth, nobody could tell what attracts girls, even successful guys. Even guys like Paul Janka said like you could “improve your rap”. But then Janka is a tall and obviously extremely good looking guy. You may say he is charming and witty and sharp with his words. But what about a scary guy like Scotty, a guy I have just known from reading your blog? He didn’t rap, he didn’t say much, yet he got laid just as much in NYC. My thought is that apart from being jacked and rather tall, Scotty has an attractive face as well.

    13. I have found a couple of germs from Assanova, they are totally in line with what you just have to say:

      https://realmademen.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/the-genetic-phenomenon/

      This article of Assanova is what makes me change my mind about pursuing casual sex, which is an arena that I feel I won’t do well and will just waste a ton of times:

      http://moneymademen.com/understanding-that-you-arent-chad/

      5’9, 4-5 average looking face, Asian, has around 4000 USD in saving, hasn’t had a good career yet despite dicking around for 6 years, though hailing from a well-to-do family. I better know my place than hold some high hopes.

      Also from your forum, I wish to paraphrase from Stelar, a guy who definitely gets laid, because it is a private forum now and I need your permission to quote it directly:
      Sure, you can improve, but do not expect any kind of extraordinary result, you are no match for the elite, just like you can run faster, but never match Usain Bolt.

  11. Yea, I get that stupid question brought on by momentary weakness.

    And no i’m not really actively trying to get laid. I’m working from home at the moment so very little communication with females besides at the gym, and I don’t think I would do well on dating apps. I did purchase your online dating book but have yet to utilize any of the advice. Plus I live in a college town don’t want to come across anyone I know on it.

    I’d say i’m average, if not below average attractiveness, above average body but don’t have any pictures that adequately reflect that. When i did use social media i used to get “wow you look so much better than i expected” when meeting new people, that’s why I don’t think I’d do well.

    But point taken. Forgive my momentary lapse of judgement it seems sex dolls are not the way for me.

    1. Nothing serious, just that I wonder at what height can you have an attractive girlfriend. I am doomed, I am only 5’9.

  12. @Cuong

    Don’t say that man. There’s plenty of of short guys who have hot girlfriends. You just have to control what you can; physique, wealth/status.

    Then you’ll get to where I’m at where the only thing holding you back is not putting in the numbers.

  13. I have been approached by women in bar atmosphere before but trust me it’s never the girls that you want/ interested in. I’ve read minimal game by Aaron and have picked up on girls that have been into me coming into my personal area more than once or eyeing me but I still chicken out when it comes to approaching.

    But for me it’s mostly been friends of friends and the girl i’ve been introduced to has been into pretty quickly.

    But obviously, that’s not a sustainable method as it relies heavily on being introduced to single relatively attractive girls, and not taking matter into your own hands.

  14. “I’ve read minimal game by Aaron and have picked up on girls that have been into me coming into my personal area more than once or eyeing me but I still chicken out when it comes to approaching.”

    I have had girls coming into my vicinity and gave me blatant signals. But at the end of the day, I just find out through friends that they were mentally unstable. I would say what makes me a virgin is that I am raised in a highly conservative environment. I have no idea what is a ONS and a fling.

    “but I still chicken out when it comes to approaching.”
    Yeah man, that scary feeling haunts me as well. I just rationalized that those girls didn’t do it on purpose, and now I know I am dead wrong. It still nerve-cracking for me to cold approach a girl.

    Sleazy is really ballsy. At 6’3, receiving mad signals must make you extremely confident.

    1. Are you interested in casual sex at all? If you’re not, then there is nothing wrong with your approach. However, if you do want to get laid but are quick to ignore girls based on presumed markers for mental instability, you are going to miss out on a lot of chances. By definition, a girl who fucks you within an hour or so is going to be volatile. She fucks guys on a whim, after all.

    2. To be honest, I still cannot imagine how a casual sex plays out in real life, even to this day. In my own homeland, I just talk to a girl and her friends. We hang out together, doing some common activities, and eventually ask her out. The time span can be around 2 years, sex is rare.

      Before, I thought I was just unlucky. After reading your blog, I have a feeling that the majority of girls seem to have mental problems LOL.

      I actually think that I give off the boyfriend vibe as well.

      I remember reading one of your comments that any girl who has ONS or flings is unfit for a long-term relationship or a nutcase.

      “There is nothing “special” about being used. Women who engage in ONS and flings are simply trash and unfit for a serious relationship. Of course, this doesn’t mean that you need to make them feel that they are trash. By definition, you won’t be able to seduce a quality woman, because a quality woman does not engage in risky sexual behavior. Thus, you are trying to make the case for something that does not exist.”

      https://blog.aaronsleazy.com/index.php/2017/05/03/the-open-thread-may-2017/

      So, I guess, now I am in the US, I am quite interested in having casual sex, but it seems that I don’t know how to make it happen (aka moving too slow, unsure, etc). I am averse to touching as well, because in Vietnam, girls are highly protective of their bodies so fast escalation is a no-go (may that will accelerate when they meet a white Chad).

      But I am not worried about that now, because in the worst case, I can save money and buy an air ticket to Amsterdam and get laid at the red light district.

      I will buy your Minimal Game tomorrow.

      When I have found a job, I will book a consultation with you!

    3. “ignore girls based on presumed markers for mental instability”
      Yeah, I used to be really into an Italian girl. She was into me as well. How do I know? Just by the way she looks at me. But the most blatant signal was that she used her butt to sandwich my crotch region when I walked pass her, so that my body got stuck in between her butt and the back of another strange. All this happened in a nightclub. I found out later that she had sex with a really handsome DJ. Then, I also questioned her personality because she employed a jealousy plot, holding onto that DJ long after they ended their flings. So I just ignored her from there.

      Another girl also intentionally walked pass me in such a manner that her shoulder caressed my body. This was also in a nightclub. But then through my very best friend, I began to gather that she behaved in an extremely odd way. My friend retold me that he gave her a pill to calm her fever, but she threw it away right in front of him. So I thought that she must be fucked in the head to react that way to such an act of kindness. No my friend had no interest in having sex with her or anything, just out of his kindness.

      Those kinds of girls made me question whether I should proceed. But you are right, had I been raised with an carefree attitude towards sex and relationship, I would gladly ignore those redflags and lose my V card.

    4. You could probably have banged them. Arguably the biggest mistake guys make is that they talk themselves out of making a move. How much more do you expect her to do once she’s rubbing her ass against your crotch?

    5. “You could probably have banged them. Arguably the biggest mistake guys make is that they talk themselves out of making a move. How much more do you expect her to do once she’s rubbing her ass against your crotch?”
      Well, now that you said it, I felt that I was such a fool. But what could I do? The idea of casually having sex with a woman who is probably not sane or particularly faithful is not inside my head. I had too many concerns and that block my sexual advances.

      How did you view women though? What kind of mindset did you have that allow you to conquer one woman after another?

      I have to admit that I don’t even know the dating style in the US or in any European country right now.

    6. The mindset is that she wants to have sex, and nothing else, and that you’re happy to go along with. As I wrote previously, if you’re not going to bang her, then someone else will, so why couldn’t it just you instead?

    7. “Are you interested in casual sex at all? If you’re not, then there is nothing wrong with your approach. However, if you do want to get laid but are quick to ignore girls based on presumed markers for mental instability, you are going to miss out on a lot of chances. By definition, a girl who fucks you within an hour or so is going to be volatile. She fucks guys on a whim, after all.”
      You know, I have thought about your question in the very first line, and I realize that I am not that guy who can be so aggressive to go after women, and take them as I want like you. My looks won’t allow me to play that game, and my personality is not suited for that. I guess I will just be content with who I am, and if I am so curious about having sex, I will gladly book a flight to Netherland to buy sex.

      What’s the point of sleeping with tons of damaged girls. I will try to work much harder on my career and find 2-3 cool girls to date. That’s the path for me.

      Damn America and its lewd culture. Wouldn’t we connect to each other much deeper if we could just look past this looks thing, along with all the materialism that follows.

  15. Man, they are trying to defund the police force. I now understand why you guys call the Western world a rotten nest.

    1. Sorry, I saw the clip as an add while learning shadow boxing! 🙂
      Anyway, I saw a dude holding a cardboard written with the line “NYPD Defund”.

  16. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWD9n1cyeQU

    Man this video says it all about Asian men. My experience is that I receive attention from white girls, but I extremely doubt that this is because the crowd of my university has been pre-selected for me. I was in Shanghai, they were also in Shanghai, they probably have some interests in Asian culture (cuisine, etc.).

    Now that I am in the US, I receive 0 attention from white girls.

    I start digging black pill videos, especially FaceLms, he has done a great service to men around the globe, just like Alek Novy and his team with their seductionmyth.

    I will post this in another post!

  17. Aaron,
    “Just because a girl fucks you right away doesn’t mean that she does so with every man.”
    “By definition, a girl who fucks you within an hour or so is going to be volatile. She fucks guys on a whim, after all.”

    We all know that sluts are a lot of fun… but how do you identify the slut from the prude or the cock-tease? I have often met women who were very easy to identify as sluts while others were more difficult to identify. These women often had a fake facade. They would behave very virtuous – pure and pristine. One particular girl who I met at a bar wouldn’t put out. My instinct told me that she was a slut. She didn’t give up the pussy that easy. Every date we had; she would carry herself very wholesome. Once we had sex, she no longer behaved like a virtuous woman, and thus, started acting more accordingly to her true nature – a slut and very volatile.

    For a lot of men, sleeping with sluts quickly is often a task that holds some form of validation. If a woman is into you, she’ll make things easy for you and not difficult – play hard to get. It keeps you from wasting precious resources on a girl who couldn’t care less about you, and it protects you from being yet another clueless man in the dark.

    Identifying sluts is not only desirable; it’s financially essential – particularly in today’s troubled economic times. An inaccurate evaluation of a woman will cost time and money.

    What metrics and/or behavioral have you used to identify women who are hypersexual who often put a fake facade who act very virtuous? Its often easy to identify women who are sluts at a bar/club, but often a challenge in social circles where women often behave accordingly.

    In your experience going to clubs and/or social circle, was it more of identifying women who were promiscuous or merely identifying women who were attracted to you that would lead to quick sex?

    1. Well, as formulaic as picking up women may seem, it’s not quite like that. Instead, you’ll need to develop your ability to properly read her behavioral cues. You shouldn’t think that you can crack every woman. Sometimes, a bona fide slut will let you wait a little bit. Yet, sometimes, a more virtuous girl will be so turned on by you that she’ll make an exception and fuck you sooner. However, once you get to the point where you can reliably identify sexual interest, you also know when to escalate and, even better, you will also be able to tell when she’s only putting on an act. You can then use this knowledge very effectively. For instance, I once bumped into a chick in a club who showed clear signs of arousal when she noticed me. I grabbed her hand, chit-chatted a bit, and then attempted to kiss her. She feigned embarrassment and turned her head. I then shrugged, said “never mind”, and walked off. Then she panicked, grabbed my wrist with both hands, apologized for playing games, and, well, made it up to me. Consider this an inspirational anecdote. You can only pull this off once you have enough experience.

      Even in social circle settings you can easily identify sluts. Think of all those women who accidentally touch you or create situations where they can be alone with you. Heck, some chicks essentially run game on you, for instance by using a pretense like wanting to go for a walk to get some fresh air or claiming to be hungry and asking you if you’d like to get a quick bite to eat with them. Others ask if they can drink from your glass of wine etc. There are so many cues you only need to pick up on. Of course, it’s not nearly as obvious as in clubs, but women in social circle settings can get annoyingly sexually aggressive because there can be an element of entitlement when they notice that a Chad has joined their social circle. Once they have had a bit to drink, some women even go all out, e.g. grabbing your crotch while sitting next to you in a restaurant, of course fully out of sight due to the long table cloth (this is not fun at all when the chick isn’t hot), or playing footsie, which seems to be a favorite move of women who have enjoyed at least a middle-class upbringing.

    2. Aaron,
      “…Once you get to the point where you can reliably identify sexual interest, you also know when to escalate and, even better, you will also be able to tell when she’s only putting on an act.”

      On a related note, the last few weeks I started going to strip clubs since most bars/clubs in my area remain closed due to the virus. How can guys go about identifying sexual interest/attraction from dancers? A lot of these strippers put on a façade, and tell guys how handsome they are which is often part of their routine.

      I understand the importance of establishing physical contact and escalating progressively with women to higher levels to achieve sexual intimacy. However, there seems to be one issue with progressively escalating with strippers. And that is, they don’t often reject your advances. Its quite common for many strippers to welcome sexual advances from their customers. It gets customers to spend more money on them. However, too often, strippers will give off a rhetoric objection regardless for their actual behaviour. For example, average Joe is getting a lap dance from Bambie. Bambie is letting Joe touch her all over her body. Joe thinks that Bambie might be attracted to him since he has established some form of physical intimacy. Joe is pushing the escalation levels, but its met with Bambie objecting and saying “I don’t have sex with customers” despite the light-hearted foreplay that took place.

      I have met two dancers that were interested in me years ago, but their interest wasn’t easy to identify at the very beginning. But with time, I was able to tell.

      How would you go about identifying sexual interest despite all the light-hearted foreplay that takes place? Of course, one can simply ask for sex verbally and pay for it. But its another issue identifying sexual interest.

    3. I haven’t interacted with strippers in a strip club, but I met a few chicks in clubs who later revealed that they have a side gig as strippers. Anyway, I think the closest equivalent are attention whores in clubs who grind up on random dudes but aren’t really interested. If in doubt, just make a move. This works fine in a night club, but in a strip club, it may get you in trouble. From what I understand, it depends a lot on the venue you’re in. In some places, strippers happily hand out freebies if they find you attractive.

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