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Is a Chad always a Chad? So do most women still consider guys who were Chads in their 20s as Chad in their 30s and 40s assuming the guys stay in decent shape (not sloppy or obese) and take care of their hair (ie if they are balding opt to shave it off or get a hair transplant)?
Or are they relegated to more of a provider type due to advancing age?
Likewise can a guy who is more of a provider type become a Chad through going to the gym and getting lean?
Are the categories of Chad and provider kind of set in stone in a woman’s mind?
The Expiry Date of Fine Wine
A commonly heard statement in our circles is that “women age like milk, and men like fine wine”. Partly, this is wishful thinking, but there is quite some truth to the matter. Let me break it down further. First, distinctly average men do not necessarily age particularly well, so at best you can say that men with above-average looks have the potential of aging relatively gracefully. Yet, the same is also true, albeit to a somewhat lesser extent, for women. I will discuss this in detail further below. Second, there is an upper limit with regards to male physical attractiveness as well. Sure, you can bring up Sean Connery or any other older male actor and point out that they look great in their late 50s or 60s, but let us not kid ourselves. Just compare Brad Pitt from Fight Club with the 2022 version of Brad Pitt or George Clooney. Surely, you can assume that any woman would be much more aroused by the former.
I think that most men decline considerably already in their 20s, and this even includes former Chads. If you work at a larger company, you have probably witnessed batches of men in their early 20s joining, and aging far beyond their years in a relatively short amount of time. Obviously, spending 40 or 50 hours a week warming an office chair, and an extra 8 to 10 hours commuting, in addition to hitherto unknown levels of stress, will not improve their health. The contrast to their relatively balanced life in high school or college, which allowed for plenty of time for sports, is quite stark.
The goal of this article is not to tell you that you are bound to rapidly decline in your 20s, far from it. However, it takes a lot of effort to stay in shape. This also includes foregoing various temptations such as habitual alcohol consumption, smoking cigarettes, or doing drugs. On that note, it is quite baffling how common weed has become, and even cocaine has entered the mainstream. None of this will help you with staying healthy and attractive, however.
Extending your Chad Years
Realistically speaking, your peak Chad years will last until your late 20s or early 30s, and if you have exceptionally good genetics, you may be able to add a few more years, but this is quite rare. As a guidance for younger men, I would encourage you to cash in your chips sooner rather than later. The women you are going to bang are likely not going to get any hotter once you enter your 30s. On a more personal note, I found that I still did really well in clubs in my mid-30s by virtue of looking about ten years younger than I was, but using my real age in online dating did not yield good results, simply because women filter by age. In a club or bar environment, or a social setting, looking younger than you are simply gets you past her preconceived notions of how old any guy she hooks up with should be.
Oblivious Providers
Older guys who still regularly hook up with girls have the tendency to misinterpret why girls get involved with them. I know a few men who have been very successful professionally. They are now in their late 30s or early 40s, and some even get approached by women. If you asked them, they would tell you that this is because they stay in shape and dress well, but in reality, they attract women because of the imagine of financial success they portray. Sure, being in relatively good shape does help, and should they decide to let themselves go physically, they would surely do worse with women. However, their looks are not nearly the main reason why they get women. Primarily, women are interested in them because they make money, and still look reasonably attractive. The blind spots of those men are quite staggering, though. One of them may tell you that he recently parked his car, got out, and a woman in her 20s smiled at him. He then briefly spoke to her and got her contact details, and took her out on a date later. What he would not include in this story is that he drives a Porsche. Surely, knowing this makes you interpret this encounter much differently. Some other guy drives a big Mercedes and he used to invite women he barely knows on weekend trips, all expenses paid. This was before the scamdemic. Similarly, he does not want to acknowledge that women view him as a provider.
As you age, but do not want to settle down, your provider abilities will play an ever increasing role. You can visualize this even more drastically. If you are in your 20s and broke, women will not care about your dire economic circumstances if they find you attractive. They happily visit you in your flat-share, hop on your dick, and keep coming back. If you want to pull this off in your 30s, your appeal will be greatly diminished. In fact, you will be seen as some kind of loser, and this is even true for women who barely manage to make ends meet themselves. At a certain point, your life simply becomes too incongruent for women to accept you even as a short-term romantic partner. Living like a struggling artist and embracing the bohemian lifestyle has an expiry date. I happen to know a few such guys as well who never made it anywhere economically. They are in their 40s or 50s and still live in a flat-share or a studio apartment in a run-down building. Yet, even if they had made it to lower middle-class, they still would have a hard time competing for women because those who want to engage in random hook-ups go for younger guys and those who want to settle down are looking for a guy who is in a more comfortable position.
Going from Provider to Chad and Vice Versa
If you are firmly stuck in a provider role and want to turn into more of a Chad, I think your options are somewhat limited. The real-life Chads I know are pulling girls even when they are out of shape. In particular, I am thinking of a good friend of mine who is 6’5″. When he was quite overweight, women told him that he “looks like a bear”, and when he started hitting the gym, they were complimenting him on being lean. His overall success rate was not much different. Of course, you can improve your physical appearance within reason, and it will lead to more women finding you desirable. Yet, there is a limit. In particular, you will struggle if you are short. I think the only scenario where you can clearly improve is if you are morbidly obese. Otherwise, even hitting the gym will have not much of an effect, assuming that you do not pick up women on the beach or at a club where you get so excited that you take off your shirt. When you’re dressed, your (physical) frame matters a lot more than a bit less fat or a bit more muscle mass, and you are not going to make your clavicles wider by hitting the gym. This is a bit of a black pill, but it is important to not engage in any kind of delusional thinking that you can go from mediocre-looking to Giga-Chad by following some kind of five-step exercise plan.
I also think that women quickly put you into the Chad or provider category. Ideally, you are the Provider-Chad, but those guys are relatively rare. If she sees you as a provider, she may only ever have sex in a more transactional manner, albeit she likely will not make it explicit. Instead, she will have the least amount of sex she can get away with to rope you into a relationship. The guy above I mentioned who used to invite chicks to weekend trips sometimes did not even get laid this way, for instance. In contrast, if she values you for your looks, it does not matter if you do not have much money. A woman may, however, want to turn a Chad into a provider. I met a few such women who were really into me when I was in my 20s but could not quite stomach the fact that I was living in a flat-share and cared little about pursuing a career. There was one who, after what started out as a one-night stand, came back soon after with print-outs of job ads she thought I should respond to, and another, incidentally a woman my age who had an MBA and worked in business, set up some kind of four-year plan for me to get my life back on track. It was surreal. (In the end, I got my life back on track, but not in response to some chick dragging me into a particular direction.)
Fast and Slow Life Strategy Chads
In one of his recent videos, Edward Dutton discusses evidence for physical attractiveness of women in the context of fast and slow life strategies. As a quick review, fast live strategies entail fast sexual maturity and procreation, risky behavior, limited parental investment and, possibly, early death as a consequence of risk taking. Slow life strategies entail the opposite. Dutton made the point that anecdotally it seems to be the case that women who sexually mature faster and are more attractive in their teens than their peers often end up being relatively unattractive in middle age whereas women whose biology makes them pursue a slow life strategy may be less attractive in their teens but comparatively more attractive as they get older, the comparison obviously being their middle aged peers. Anecdotally, I think he has a point, but in my view those hot teenage sluts aging quicker could be due to their suboptimal lifestyle choices such as excessive partying, drugs, alcohol, makeup with toxic chemicals, and time spent in a solarium.
With regards to men, it could well be that the same phenomenon plays out. For instance, back in high school the biggest Chads were simply physically much more mature than the rest. Of one of them I know that his life went downhill very quickly. By his mid-20s he was an obese alcoholic with very unsteady economic prospects. This was the most extreme case, but there were others where I likewise observed that they seemed to be far ahead of their peers in terms of physical development but did not nearly look as attractive as they got older. In my case, I think I was only fully grown at the age of 20, and when I was 15 or 16, I looked quite frail compared to the Chads in school. On the plus side, I still look ten years younger than I am.
Putting this information in the context of this essay, I think that if you only reached your full physical maturity in your early 20s, you may indeed be able to move into the Chad category, provided you have good genetics. Hitting the gym and getting those newbie gains can make a world of difference. At that age, though, the provider aspect seems to be relatively unimportant as Western women normally do not want to settle down yet. Also, very few young men come from wealth and have access to their family’s riches, so I am not sure if this aspect is even worth discussing. However, the major point here is unaffected, namely that if your biology put you on the slow-life strategy, you may indeed be able to become a Chad in your 20s, even if girls overlooked you in your teens.
In your books you talk about not worrying too much if you’re a late starter; here you reckon that young men should “cash in their chips early”. This seems like a pretty big update (and also stands in opposition to what I see personally, with men properly hitting their stride with women in their 30s and female friends in their 30s having less romantic success than before). What made you change your mind?
By “late starters” I referred to men who missed out on women in their teens or perhaps early 20s, and even if you are in your 30s, you can still enjoy plenty of romantic success. Nonetheless, you are getting older. Sure, some men may “hit their stride” only in their 30s, but I do not think that it is plausible to assume that they could not have banged hotter women when they were younger. Also, I do not think that there is much of a contradiction between this article and what I wrote in my books. To put it differently, your time horizon for casual hookups with young women is limited and will certainly get narrower in your late 30s. Access to those women is a big issue, after all. Sure, friends of yours may boast about the occasional date with a chick in her mid-twenties but don’t you think that this pales to the amount of casual hook-ups a Chad can have in college? You will likely also have more energy in your early 20s, meaning that you can go out and party, bang a slut, sleep for two hours, and perform decently enough at work. Pulling his off in your mid 30s is a lot less likely.
Aaron, it sound like you are talking about random casual hookups being easier if younger, while decently successful/handsome men 30s+ can still get in relationships with girls mid twenties and up [skewing older as guy the guy gets older]. If that fair to say? Or still too optimistic in your view?
I think a lot of guys dont “hit their stride” in terms of career, muscle building, style/grooming, confidence [i.e. lack of anti-game] until their late 20s or even early 30s. So the concern is balancing the line between being realistic and being defeatist if you didnt have success with women in your early or mid 20s.
Yes, this is exactly right. In your 30s, if you have your life in order and are willing to settle down, you can get a woman in her mid-20s. It will be difficult to get women in their late teens or early 20s because those will not want to settle down yet. In more traditional societies, this may be different, but there the issue is that young women may pair up with men of approximately the same age, which means that older men may miss the boat. I know that this dynamic is common in Singapore, for instance.
If you have missed the boat regarding casual hookups because you focused instead on building your career, you can still get plenty of girls, casual and more serious alike in your 30s. However, you will not replicate what a Chad could do in his early 20s. When I briefly reentered the club/bar scene in my mid-30s, I still got laid plenty but I noticed that girls really quickly screened for relationship potential. Presumably, they find it more difficult to justify banging a random slightly older dude who has nothing going for him. On the positive side, upon learning that I have a decent job, some women pushed really hard for getting into a relationship with me. One chick asked me what I do for a living while she was riding me and without missing a beat she followed up by inquiring whether I would like to date her. In my late 20s, chicks barely asked me what I did for a living because the mere fact that I only had a room in a flat-share indicated that I probably was not doing too well.
> I think a lot of guys dont “hit their stride” in terms of career, muscle building, style/grooming, confidence [i.e. lack of anti-game] until their late 20s or even early 30s
Totally agree. I have better style, more confidence, and generally look better in my early 30s now than I did five years ago (thanks to finasteride my hairline is better now than it was then). And thanks to better photos, and Aaron’s books, I’m getting better results on online dating now than ever before.
But yes, I guess I don’t have the same energy I did when I was 22. And I certainly don’t have access to the quantity of women a Chad at college would have. I guess not having had that level of success in the past means that the trajectory for me has been up, not down.
I banged quite a few teens in my mid 30s, and they were like this. In fact at 19 they looked like they were 24. Nowadays when I see their profile pics, at 24 they look like they are 33.
They were neither into alcohol, nor drugs, nor a fast life that made them age faster. They just had those kinds of genes. Anecdotally I’ve observed this. Some girls just age faster, and those same girls start having sex sooner, and often also seek out older guys.
In fact this is something we noticed with a friend… At one point it even became like a rule. Ok so this chick bangs older guys, she must be one of those “ages quickly girls”. And they all ended up being that way.
I say this because their looks aren’t that mismatched at 20, the only giveaway is banging older guys. So at 20, she might look 22, not a huge difference. But then you see that she likes to bang 30+ year old men. It’s almost like subconsciously they know this is their “age-match”.
*one of them left me for a 50 year old with even more status than me, in the same niche. She was 19 when I was banging her, she moved up to the 50 year old before she turned 20 I believe. At 25 she looks like she’s 40 years old.
“I banged quite a few teens in my mid 30s, and they were like this. In fact at 19 they looked like they were 24. Some girls just age faster, and those same girls start having sex sooner, and often also seek out older guys” (Alek Novy)
I once met this girl at the train station during the day. She gave me strong eye contact. I approached her, and I started talking to her. I only had about minute or two because she was about to board the train. I asked her out and she said, “I can’t go out with you”. I said “why?” She said, “I’m a minor.” I said, “Really??? How old are you?” She said, “I’m 17”. I said, “You don’t look 17, you look like 22”. She said, “I know…A lot of people tell me that”. I asked her when she turned 18 and she said in two months. I got her number and called her two months later and went out. I was probably 30 or 31 years old at the time. She also had a kid, she was a single mom.
I have a hunch that if you had persisted just a little bit you could have banged her when she was still 17. Of course, I can fully understand if any guy would not want to do that, due to statutory rape laws.
Aaron,
“Of course, I can fully understand if any guy would not want to do that, due to statutory rape laws”.
I had so much to lose. I didn’t want to lose my career. I was already set for life. I’ve seen to many cases where men often got caught. Its usually the girl bragging to her girl friends at school that she bang some older guy. Once she opens her mouth to her friends, its a matter of time before law enforcement makes an arrest. I had quite a few minors try to lure. But I never took the bait. Its interesting how bias the laws are with statutory rape when the situation is the opposite – an older woman having sex with a boy who’s a minor.
I would say that you can’t get that anyway. The only way to get what Chad gets is to be Chad.
So yes, at 30-40 you can’t get the porn-like rollercoasters that chad got in his early 20s. But you couldn’t get that in your 20s either, no matter what you did in your 20s.
Of course we have to consider every guy’s potential here, regardless of whether it was realized or not, and not treat his genetics as a variable. Thus, a 35 year-old Chad cannot compete with himself when he was 20, regardless of whether he pursued women at that age or not. Similarly, a 35 year-old male 7/10 may tell himself that he is “hitting his stride”, but he will not pull the quantity and quality he could have pulled at 20, had he really put his mind to it. For the sake of the argument, it we assume that a guy in his 40s can pull like he did in his 20s, it is still the case that he will not have the energy nor the sex drive he once had.
But that right there is the issue. If I could redo life in a way where I would get more total lays… I would have spent LESS time trying to get laid in my 20s, not more. I would have focused on money, and only started prioritizing getting laid in my 30s. With that strategy I would have gotten more total lays for less effort.
All else being equal my 25 year old self could bang more chicks than my 35 year old self, true. But here’s the problem. That could have never been true. “All else equal” is only hypothetical.
There was nothing I could do in my early 20s to actually get laid. It doesn’t matter that my 25 year old self was more sexually appealing to girls than my 35 year old self.
With my confidence and status today I have more access to hotter girls, and can get laid more easily than I did at 21. Regardless of the fact that my physical self today is a lot less appealling.
Yeah if I had today’s status and confidence at 21 I would be able to get laid a WHOLE LOT MORE… But that hypothetical parallel universe could have never happened.
And not for lack of trying. I wasted my early 20s by “putting my mind into it”. What wasted effort. I should have been starting businesses in my early 20s, not trying to get laid. That way by late 20s/early 30s I would have gotten overall much better results.
It’s interesting that you say you should’ve started businesses in your early 20s, and left trying to get laid to your late 20s/early 30s. I’ve talked to Aaron about how we would raise sons if we had any, and he likewise wants them to focus on building their career/wealth/status in their early 20s. But he would financially support them going to prostitutes during that period of time. (He’s written about this before.)
And at the same time he’s supportive of them marrying the first good girlfriend they find, assuming that when they date it is actually serious dating with marriage in mind. He says visiting prostitutes would also help them not rush into marriage until they meet someone worthy. It just gave me something to mull over, that although he was exceptionally successfully at hooking up, he doesn’t want his sons wasting the time he did.
I don’t disagree with this. My only concern is whether good girls will be accepting of their prospective husband having a history of visiting prostitutes if they knew, in particular Asian girls.
@Sleazy’s Wife: I see absolutely no reason that a man should tell his wife that he has seen a prostitute. It will just cause unnecessary problems. If she notices that he is sexually experienced, he should say he had a one night stand or two before he met her. It’s technically true, he’s just not mentioning that he paid for the ONS.
A good girl may also disapprove of ONS, but the social stigma should be less than that of buying sex. The man could frame it that he had the ONS while drunk/young and foolish, and that he regrets it and has no interest in such promiscuous behavior anymore.
On second thought, it might actually be easier to simply fake being inexperienced when he has sex with the good girl for the first time…
A good girl would be inexperienced herself. Ideally, she would be a virgin. Thus, she would not even be in a position to realistically assess how experienced her husband is.
@Burt
I agree that it’s better to not reveal a history of visiting prostitutes to a prospective wife. I probably wouldn’t be able to handle this information myself. Even if it doesn’t end the relationship, there would probably always be trust issues for the woman. The challenge for hypothetical sons is how to respond to questions about sexual history without raising any red flags, or just be a darn good liar and rationalise away any moral qualms. This will be a lie or an act that will have to be kept forever, though. (Actually, is prostitution immoral? I know we can all see why it might be the most sensible approach, morality aside.)
A friend of mine courted a good girl (both Singaporeans) who was a virgin at 22 or 23. She was saving herself for marriage and views sex to be taken seriously. When my friend revealed that he had a grand total of one ONS, which was also only his second sexual partner, her opinion of him took a nosedive and he was never able to redeem himself in her eyes in spite of trying very hard. On the other hand she would’ve been grudgingly accepting of a guy who’s only had sex with a serious girlfriend.
Oh! It just occurred to me that our family reputation would also be tarnished in the eyes of the woman and her family if they find out Aaron had been paying for Aaron Jr. to regularly bang hookers. A big no-no especially if we’re fishing in Asian waters.
Aaron,
Aaron,
1. “I also think that women quickly put you into the Chad or provider category”.
Interestedly enough, I never fitted into either category even until this day. Women would often tell me that I don’t come across as either Chad or a provider, but once they got to know me they’ve told me I come across as a Chad.
2. “If she sees you as a provider, she may only ever have sex in a more transactional manner, albeit she likely will not make it explicit”.
When a woman falls in “love” with a guy who’s a provider and average looking (of occurs she isn’t attracted to him to begin with), what is she really falling in love with? My understanding is that looks is a prerequisite to falling in love. I’ve met many women who have claimed that they are so in love with their beta male provider… “He’s not good-looking, but he’s the one. I love him, he treats me really good”. Is this just b.s. on a woman’s part?
Another major factor that no one has brought up is that all else being equal, your environment plays a huge roll. For example, you may be 35 and look the same as you did at 21 – but you’re not in college to take advantage of the parties and what not where sexual serendipitous events occur.
Case in point: I’m in my late 30’s and visited a friend in Miami 6 months ago. We are both in really awesome shape for our age. We went to some club that skewed heavily younger and took FOUR 18/19 year olds back to his place. Not even trying. I turned my head to the left and looked at the nonexistent camera in the room and thought “Even if I wanted to do this back home, it would never happen because I’m not in the right environment”
Are you natural or steroid-big?
Conrad,
Both of us are natural. No one is “big”. He runs a lot and so do I though I probably lift more. Again like Aaron says about the basics: look as good as you can which includes physique, clothes, and not eating shitty food. Then approach. I believe Aaron wrote a post about this a while ago about a reader who left comment about getting with 1 in 4 women he apprached.
I’m not sure all men do peak at their early 20’s, like women. I know it’s not hard science or anything, but to me a good illustrative example are football collectible stickers. Every time I look at some player at 22 before some World Cup, and compare him to his 30 year old self two WC’s later, I usually find the latter more handsome, less “childlike” in appearance, more “Chadlike”. Of course, that applies to players who had good genes in the first place, and I’m not talking about clear cases of cosmetic surgery like Cristiano Ronaldo either.
In case of male celebrities (which may or may not extrapolate to the male general population’s standards of attractiveness), there seems to be a clear divide between the boyish look that appeals mostly to pubescent/teenage girls (think K-pop idols or Western boy bands), and mature-looking (not old, but mature) guys that appeal to late teens (sometimes) and older women. Some guys manage to pull both off during their careers (like Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves), other only one or the other.
As Aaron acknowledges, the disadvantage that guys in their 30’s have over guys in their 20’s, all else being equal, might be in sex drive, opportunity, environment, career choice, etc.
This also reminds me of Tiger Woods’ case, and the media frenzy about “sex addiction” that he sparked. The concept of sex addiction seems foolish to me, since I’m not even completely sold on porn addiction either. The problem with Tiger and other guys like Charlie Sheen or Hugh Grant is that they seem to have too high a sex drive for their age and of course, the opportunity that being high status provides for them. Both combined make them stick out like sore thumbs compared to their age peers.
Correction, *seemed* to have too high a sex drive. The guys I mentioned had their scandals during their late 30’s and 40’s.
Sex-drive relates to opportunity and status though. In my early 30s my sex-drive went down, quite a bit… but then by mid 30 I got a ton of status in a niche where I was the top status dude amongst hot young chicks. I was getting hit on daily by hotties… Wouldn’t you know, my sex-drive magically shot back up to my 20 year-old levels.
In fact, I noticed that it was entirely correlated to how much opportunity I had, not age.
@Alek: that makes sens. After all, testosterone levels depend on factors other than eating habits.
Though at some point after your 50’s at least, nature takes its toll, I think even for guys like Pablo Picasso or Mick Jagger who are known for impregnating much younger women in their senior years.
I also think it is tough for us guys to judge how attractive women find men. For example, I tend to think the more youthful looking men are more handsome, but that might be my bias towards the feminine. So we might guess a younger guy is more physically attractive due to XYZ, but women might not view it the same way.
@Conrad: following the trends with male celebrities gives you an idea about female preferences. Because platonic attraction like that is entirely based on looks, the rest women fill out with fantasizing (the emotional rollercoaster if she’s a Cluster Bitch or being perfect princes charming if she’s mentally stable, the trips to paradisiacal islands, the money they’d spend on her, etc.). You rarely see women beyond 20 lusting after K-pop androgynous idols or the cast of High School Musical (speaking of which, Zac Effron has apparently made a good transition from that to mature hunk), they usually find men in their late 20’s or older more appealing.
Spot on Manuel. While it’s true that more masculine men like Brad Pitt and George Clooney may have hit a mini wall of sorts, they are approaching 60. In their 40s I think they peaked. I’m other words I think they were more appealing to women when they were in their 40s than in their 20s. I think this is definitely the case with Clooney.
Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Wahlberg, Robert Downey Jr. and John Stamos are examples of guys getting better with age. Reason being they shed their fresh “baby face.” These guys were attractive to teeny boppers in the 80s and 90s. Now, a few wrinkles here, a few grey’s there they look more masculine.
I dont agree that following trends of celebrities gives you an idea of what women find attractive. The people who control hollywood and media are pushing an agenda they want to be reality. The types of men and women they portray serve their ends.
K pop and boy bands, for example, are entirely artificial creations to encourage feminized males. Hollywood has also gone from rugged men in the 50s to pretty boys you see today, such as Timothe Chamlet. This includes older actors too, not just those marketing at teen girls. This does reflect a societal change, but you should ask why its being pushed. I think its naive to believe that Hollywood is playing into natural healthy impulses.
I don’t even watch movies any more. It’s all garbage save a few exceptions. But in the past both media and Hollywood have run a balencing act between profit vs. agenda. They often run in conflict with each other. Which is why Tucker Carlson’s show is so popular. They want to make money, but they already reined him in from what I can tell. Lou Dobbs is another example from back in the day.
A good example is how Clark Gable kicked the shit out his Jewish producer of Gone With the Wind, David Selznick. Selznick LITERALLY asked for it. Then he walked off with the biggest pay check. WTF were they gonna do? Fire their cash cow? Gable faced problems with other producers and directors too. Lots of partying and womanizing. Connery left the business 20 years before he died. These Chads didn’t fit in, yet the industry needed them. But in the end, agenda usually wins out unfortunately.
@Conrad: I agree with GL&S, Hollywood for most of its history has tried to balance money-making with agenda-pushing. Artificially pushing trends in music is easier to do than artificially molding what women of all ages find attractive in men. In fact, I’d say first they learn what ticks them and then use it and make it marketable, not the other way around.
Besides, masculine men are still being given spotlight; the difference is that the feminizing agenda makes them subservient to women or LGTB freaks one way or another, or makes the either the characters or the actors promote metrosexual habits, etc.
@AlekNovy
Hey, thanks this this and I was just wondering if you could elaborate a bit??
“…by mid 30 I got a ton of status in a niche where I was the top status dude amongst hot young chicks. I was getting hit on daily by hotties…”
The situation or arriving to that point is inspiring! but also a bit ‘vague’.
‘ton of status’ – in a ‘niche / becoming ‘top status dude’ ‘- ‘amongst hot young chicks’
It almost rhymes! Lol 🙂
Whatever you can say on expanding this would be very valuable I believe, especially coming from you.
Thank you
It’s vague because I don’t want to reveal personal info. The point though is that:
a) When you have status in a niche chicks hit on you
b) If it happens to be a chick dominated by hot/young chicks, it’s hot-young chicks hitting on you
c) When hot/young chicks hit on you, well magically your sex-drive explodes and becomes like your 20-year-old drive
You don’t need to know what niche I did this, because you’re missing the point. If you have status in a niche, chicks will hit on you. If you choose a niche where girls are competing on hotness and looks, it’ll be hot chicks.
Using your example, you can for example become the top photographer in lingerie-modelling. One that models are fighting to shoot with, because it will further their careers.
There is a difference between slayer and chad. As long as you can keep your hair and the fat off your frame you will probably stay a chad [in your age bracket!] for a long time. Will you “slay” 20-year-olds forever? No. Doesn’t matter how often you read Rollo Tomassi’s books.
Also, most women that hit 25 start to dial down on casual hookups, to find something serious. And that’s the biggest bottleneck you will hit as you age.
Thanks for the reply Alek
Of course I get what you’re saying!
Then again the rest of your answer has one issue:
Yes perhaps knowing your niche isn’t the issue, but this “niche” word you’ve decided to use (outside of business) is quite important.
What exactly do you mean by “niche” in this context
Ask you then say if we choose a niche where girls are competing on hotness and looks – it will be hot chicks.
So it would matter a lot if the niche you were in was say “Lingerie Models’.
You maybe have become a ‘Big Man’, working in the fashion industry and gained a lot of Status, hence these hot young chicks are hitting on you. Now literally working along side hot young models really does matter! And therefore the niche actually does matter a lot, and may indeed be a very crucial point.
But thank you for the reply. If I could reply to your a); b); c) – with 1), 2), 3) – I hope you can ‘thin slice’ the crucial components – but please feel free to elaborate 🙂
a) When you have status in a niche chicks hit on you
* STATUS: What direction would you give to someone then who sets out to ‘accrue’ this in terms of understanding it and actionable advice?
b) If it happens to be a chick dominated by hot/young chicks, it’s hot-young chicks hitting on you
* NICHE: (assume the first ‘chick word above was meant to be ‘niche’).
What do you mean by Niche? And maybe few examples (excluding your own of course)
c) When hot/young chicks hit on you, well magically your sex-drive explodes and becomes like your 20-year-old drive
* LIBIDO: we’ll this is self-explanatory!
But to switch it up – what advice would you give to men in 30’s looking to meet women AS they are building up status and Not necessarily ‘hot young supermodels’ .
How about say nice looking women, also in 30’s?
Thanks a lot Bro!
Only 30 year olds I fucked were ones who hit on me in the same circles that I entered due to the hot young chicks. There is no niche where it’s just hot young girls. The girls have managers, older sisters etc. Those will hit on you too.
How about you book a consultation with Aaron? This is why he has them. I understand the need for specifics, but specifics are only possible if someone sits down with you and talks about your specific circumstances etc.
Great insight!
& Good idea! 🙂
Do you mind clarifying that second one please…your use of the word, I don’t think I’ve grasped it – or maybe just completely missed it!
“ b) If it happens to be a chick dominated by hot/young chicks, it’s hot-young chicks hitting on you
* NICHE: (assume the first ‘chick word above was meant to be ‘niche’).
What do you mean by Niche? And maybe few examples
Thanks Alex
Amazing advice!
Google says this when you click that tab called “What exactly is a niche?”:
A niche is a place or position that’s particularly appropriate for someone or something, especially due to being very specific and different from others. Niche often refers to a position or interest that allows someone or something to thrive in a particular environment.
Sounds like a good definition. I’m guessing you haven’t read Minimal Game yet? You can get it on Kindle. Aaron discusses the importance of finding your niche there. Though he doesn’t use the term niche, but if you’ve read the book you’ll know what we’re talking about. In fact a huge part of the book is about how finding the right enviroment can be huge to multiplying your lays.
I just googled: “what does it mean to find your niche”. All the results are really good. Especially if you combine it with reading Minimal Game, and then you’ll know what it means.
Examples:
– You decide to become a well known party promoter, so you become a name in those circles, and gain status that way.
– Become a well-known and connected speaker in some industry where most conferences are attended by ambitious-and-hot chicks. Most chicks attending such conferences have heard of you, and know of you
I could list 65 other examples… But again, that along with the photographer example earlier and the examples in Minimal game and the google searches is enough. Just connect everything to Minimal Game and it will make sense. And if you want someone to parse it for you, book a consultation with Aaron.
Thanks Alex!
Really appreciate the advice.
Proper solid solid solid…….rock hard throbbing Advice! :))
Yeah I think I getcha man and some direction for next steps when I’m ready.
Much appreciated
I am 29 and I didn t get lots of women even if I am attractive (tall + Goodyear face) because of too much anti game.
I probably still have some years to do it before settling down because I look really younger. People think I am 22.
Ugh!
I am late to the comments but would comment anyway.Nice post Aaron.
Do you,Aaron,have any stories/anecdotes of people whom you came across who were inexperienced and eventually landed girlfriend only to be jealous of her past…hence they broke up but then he realized he was too late for the party??
I have never encountered this. Also, I do not think that guys are jealous of some chick’s “experience”. If anything, this is a huge red flag for a relationship. The sane reaction after learning that your girlfriend fucked 200 guys is to dump her.