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  1. I’ve gotten the pleasure of speaking with HoeMath himself on his discord server (he actually chats with his followers. Big respect from me!). His body count is over130. Alek,you’ve mentioned before that nearly every guy who has gotten laid a lot comes to very similar conclusions. I’m definitely seeing it here.

    I dunno how many of you have discord,but if you do,I definitely recommend signing up to his server. Though of course,being on a mainstream platform and all,don’t expect as high of a signal-to-noise ratio as the audience in Aaron’s blog.

  2. Lately I read about WW1.
    I read the official, Wikipedia narrative. Interesting, when you look at the official facts, the bad guys don’t seem to be the Germans.

    First, who initiated the war? Looking at Wikipedia, France, Serbia and Russia all mobilized their troops before Germany and mobilization is, according to wikipedia, an act of war. Therefore, Germany didn’t start the war.

    Second, who committed the most war crimes ? Well the allied forces did a blockage of Germany which lead to the starvation between 525-860 thousand Germans (plus Austrians, Turks, etc) according to Wikipedia.

    Interestingly, this war crime was what lead to Germany losing WW1. And no I’m not talking about the “DolchstoßLegende”. I’m talking about the official narrative which is that the US entering WW1 lead to Germany’s loss. And the US entered due to Germany’s unrestricted marine warfare… which Germany did because of the sea blockade.

    1. You should know how WW1 is taught in German schools: the key message is that Germany started the war. Of course, the sea blockade is not mentioned at all, and Germany doubled down on marine warfare for absolutely no reason at all. A large part is also dedicated to the “Dolchstoßlegende” and on the impossibility of Germany winning the war even in alternative scenarios. It is truly sickening. As you can see, I have very good reasons for my dislike of ZOG.

    2. Yes you are right about how badly it is taught in school.

      But I’m just shocked how easy I could find the real story – while relying on the official narrative of Wikipedia. Because the sea blockade and who started mobilization can be easily looked up.

      Re Dolchstoßlegende: here you could just look at Turkey. After being screwed over by the treaty of serves, they started their war of independence and got a much favorable treaty of Lausanne. Of course, for Germany it was absolutely impossible to get a better outcome than the totally just treaty of Versailles…

  3. I also found some interesting links between the Israel-Palestine conflict and WW1.

    First, the Balfour- declaration was signed during WW1, which promised the Jews Palestine.

    Second, similar to how WW1 was later blamed on Germany, the same gas lightning occurred with Palestine as Palestinians are blamed for starting the conflict in the 1947 (although the conflict started with Jews taking land from Palestine).

    Third, the sea blockade is something we also see being used in Palestine.

  4. Pretending to have forgotten someone we dislike is a valid strategy to minimize the impact of that person (and therefore their negative influence) on us? When is it feasible, and when is it not?

    1. Are you asking about how to minimize thinking about someone you dislike/hate? That,I think I can answer. but if your question is how to minimize whatever influence they have had on you,I don’t think that’s something you can control. I’ve spoken before of my past here:

      Do I still think about the bullies specifically? No. (I’ll get to answering why I’m not in a bit..) Did they have a significant influence into shaping me into who I am and my personal worldview today? I would be lying if I said no. In short,I don’t think this is something that’s within your control. Now,getting to the part where I DO think you have some degree of control over…

      Some people end up living their lives seething over the past. Some enough to the point where they feel compelled to pursue revenge for a wrongdoing that happened as much as decades ago.

      How did I not end up like these types of folks? I think its a combination of a few factors:

      1 – My life today,while far from perfect (I hunch Aaron is probably a happier person than I am,haha),is generally a comfortable one where I’m able to do a lot of the things I want.

      2 – I have hobbies and interests that take up a lot of my time and thinking. (Lucid Dreaming,Martial Arts,and Lifting as of the moment)

      3 – Getting my closure at the right time. In that link,I’ve spoken of people who never stood up to their bullies and it ending up a lifelong regret. I am thankful I didn’t end up in this category. I got the proud memory of managing to trounce the most feared bully of my entire high school before I graduated. I no longer hold any animosity towards the guy,and he does seem to have changed (I could be very wrong and it might just be a show,but I’m not interested in digging any deeper),but its a memory I still think about (and brag about,though I try to keep a lid on it these days) probably more often than I should. To this day,I strongly believe that had I not fought on that day,I would be fucked up today.

      4 – Having dreams/aspirations (related to #1. I actually want to someday travel,meet and train with the people I read about)

      I’m not gonna lie,I feel like #3 is probably the strongest influencer here. That is not something you have control over though if its an event that’s already passed,so we’ll pass it over. basically,I think a lot of the people who hold long term grudges tend to be people who generally live in an unhappy/unfulfilled present. You might have heard this quote for example:

      “Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance.” – Eric Hoffer.

      So…I feel like having a fulfilled (or at least a comfortable one) life and having passions (or at least interests/hobbies) are major factors if you’ll be susceptible to obsessive hate (or love. most stalkers probably don’t live fulfilled lives either) over someone/specific people.

      I realize as I type this however that none of what I said is easy to implement. I think anything else though is probably just a band aid solution.

    2. @Maou

      Thank you for your answer. My problem is that I spend a lot of time ruminating on past episodes of bullying I’ve experienced. I wish somehow I could ignore it and forget. I realize that continuing to dwell on it only gives more power to the person who wronged me. I agree that these situations are typical of someone with an empty and unhappy life (mine is), but it’s a difficult problem to resolve.

      I was wondering if, in these cases, pretending to have forgotten about that person and those episodes when encountering them or meeting mutual acquaintances is a valid strategy to diminish their importance

    3. Do you guys think that sharing your experiences with healthy minded individuals helps? Therapy? It can be a load off to get third party opinions IMO.

    4. I think another way to cope is to realize that bullies themselves live highly unfulfilled lives. Otherwise they would not be bullies. They are empty so they take from others, like vampires. Confident people radiate their positive energy. It could actually come to the point where you kind of feel bad for bullies.

    5. If by “healthy minded individuals”,you mean normies…no,not really. In fact,depending on the issue you speak of,they may even be harshly judgmental towards you. A self-defense instructor I respect whose former line of work was deeply entrenched in violence (No,not Law enforcement,military or government work,but the kind of work that definitely teeters on the legal line. the kind of guy who deals with folks who don’t pay what they owe to the loan shark in time,as an example.) spoke of a time when he used to be a client of a therapist. long story short,the therapists ended up judging him as a monster and telling him he cannot be helped.

      My viewpoint on Therapy in general is that while I do think there is value to be had from the field,you have to be very picky about who you choose to be your Therapist. you can’t just pluck out some random normie therapist and expect that will do much good. You may well have problems that they cannot relate to at all,much like what that self-defense instructor experienced. The guy lived a life that therapist whose only experience of is probably though mainstream TV shows.

      If you happen to be in a specialized group,perhaps asking them for referrals may be a good step to finding such a therapist. I am in such a group myself actually (albeit they are not that active anymore these days),and if I seriously ever felt I needed a therapist,I’d probably ask them for a recommendation or if there is someone among them who is one.

    6. Yeah, boundary violators wedge themselves in my thought life more than I’d like. Can relate. Take an incident that’s fucking with you and try to stay with it. Sit with it until it feels like any other miscellaneous thought that doesn’t have power over you.

    7. Recently,I’ve been ruminating regarding the topic of “What should I do if I failed to muster the courage to stand up to the bullies of my past and the memory continues to haunt me even to this day?” and I think I figured a potential solution…Have an MMA competition match.

      Where did I get this idea? Here’s the story of Fred Ettish,one of the folks who competed in 2nd earliest UFC event (UFC 2),got absolutely humiliated and made a laughing stock for years…until he competed for the 2nd time,this time in his 50’s,effectively trained this time around unlike his first time,and won.

      Dude was,understandably,haunted for years from that first humiliating defeat,and he was only able to conquer his demons and redeem himself by going back in there. The fact that he managed this in his 50’s is quite impressive,to say the least.

      I think Fred Ettish’ experience here has a close enough approximation that this is definitely worth a consideration for overcoming your demons if you failed to stand up for yourself in your youth. He didn’t have to get in there with Johnny Rhodes (the guy who trashed him in UFC 2) to get that redemption. He just had to get in there to prove to himself that he’s become brave.

      Even a “Toughman” less mainstream organization like Streetbeefs (of course,make sure there’s sufficient safety involved. if they are fist fighting on concrete,that should be obvious that’s not a safe or smart way to compete) could probably be sufficient for this purpose.

      Of course,you have to train for awhile to implement this “treatment”. Do NOT go into the ring without training. People have gotten seriously hurt doing that.

      I think I’m gonna want to contact an old friend of mine (whom I’ve talked with before regarding this topic.) later on. I definitely want to bounce this idea of mine with him,haha.

      GoodLookingAndSleazy,I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this idea of mine if you happen to be lurking about!

    8. Yes Maou, I think martial arts is a great way to overcome demons, and improve self-confidence. I think Jeff’s story is great. Just getting back into the cage was his real accomplishment, the win was just gravy. I have not yet learned martial arts myself. Just some training with a friend. But he is impressed with my natural boxing skills. Calling me a “natural.” I’ve mostly just hit the gym consistently, and that is helping with my demons.

      My experience with bullying was always emotional, never physical. Worse, it was by my own immediate family. Worse more, by females. But I have improved over the years. Putting people out of my life that are toxic. Standing firm against toxic people. Especially toxic females who target me. I will always remember the first time I told off a stuck up good-looking girl. The look on her face was priceless. Probably the first time it ever happened to her. I can expand on this in another thread it’s a little off topic.

      Anyway, off to the gym! 🙂

  5. You know,since we’ve been talking about video games and all…

    I have not played this DLC of New Vegas,but someone in the comment section mentioned the theory that Joshua Graham might be suffering Psychosomatic issues and that’s why chems/medicine does not work for his physical pain. Its reminded me when I asked you back in 2017 about Nocebo.

    I wonder how many real life people suffer from this kind of issue (interestingly,one mentioned his own anecdote of being one under that comment),and if even therapy has any guarantee at all of working here.

    I know you’re generally against recreational substances,but I have a feeling they are probably a worthwhile tool for folks who have had traditional therapy fail to effectively address their issues. Some folks have claimed having had their perspectives turned upside down after having experienced Psychedelics such as DMT/LSD. of course,this is not to say this route isn’t without its risks.

    People sometimes criticize self-medication (understandably,because most people are idiots about it),but if you know what you’re doing,it can definitely work better than advice given by a lot of doctors. You’ve mentioned your wife managing to cure certain aches and pains by getting into lifting. there are actually more than a few people with similar issues,where the barbell cured what the doctor prescription couldn’t.

  6. So I just answered some question on Reddit, and it led me to finding the right analogy to explain why I disrespect chicks who “fall” for players.

    Basically, my thing is, the only chick I would consider dating long-term is if she only had a series of long-term relationships. If she’s amazing enough, I would even be ok with her hooking up casually a couple of times, if she actually did it with intent, like if she went on vacation somewhere with the intent of picking up guys and never seeing them again.

    What I highly highly highly disrespect is chicks who have casual hookups on their record that they didn’t intend for. You know, when they say they got played. The chick who says the dude was so nice and sweet and normal, and then he just magically disappeared after sex, and she wonders why he’s not answering her messages.

    You know, the chicks who take no accountability, and say “it’s not my fault I got manipulated”, or “I intimidate guys, that’s why they hit it and run”.

    I couldn’t explain why it bothers me, but since some chick asked me. This is how I explained it to her:

    It’s the equivalent of a guy complaining he keeps getting robbed by charming strippers … these strippers will pretend to be all sweet and into him, and then he wakes up the next day without his wallet. Would you respect that guy?

    I think that’s the best analogy I can come up with, and why I don’t respect girls like that.

    1. @AlekNovy
      Women who casually hook up have poor decision making skills. Plenty of women don’t learn from their personal mistakes.

    2. Of course, you and me know this. I should have clarified this is in response to womens standard “defense”.

      Apparently it doesn’t count as a mistake and it doesn’t say anything about her if she got played, because apparently there is just no way to know if a dude is a fukboi because apparently he acted like a sweet nice guy until the moment he nutted in her, and then flipped.

      My response is in terms of that “argument”. Falling for fukbois over and over is like constantly sending money to the Nigerian prince scam in your email.

    3. Women in particular struggle with the empathy gap, meaning they only identify with whatever emotional state they are in at the present moment. They refuse to acknowledge that yes, they do get horny, and when they get horny, if there is a man around, they are likely to act on their urges. Then, later on, when they’re back to their “chaste” state, it’s as if they don’t remember being horny, and therefore put all of the blame on the man.

      They refuse to know themselves. They want to pretend they’re “not like that”. So they never develop strategies to deal with their horniness, like as Alek said, maybe go on a vacation and get it out of their system.

      It’s the same with their diets. They think that starvation is a practical means of weight loss. Then one thing leads to another and they’ve downed a whole pizza and an entire bag of cookies.

  7. The Houtis have taken a leaf out of the former British empires book regarding warfare. You may recall the British sea blockade of Germany that led to its capitulation, and the death of hundreds of thousands. Now Israel is getting cut off from maritime trade:
    I have yet to figure out how the actions of the Houtis can be against the law (and bad), considering that the aforementioned British war crime was a war crime and somehow also was not (and good). I really need to brush up on my double-think because I am hitting an impasse here. The is of course the main difference that the Houtis want to stop the slaughter in the Gaza strip whereas the British wanted to starve the death. From this alone is probably follows that the Houtis are bad and the British were good. It is time to hit the fact-checking websites!

  8. Guys, what political/historical issues have you changed your mind on? I know you have, because this is a pretty intelligent bunch.

    Mine would be nuking Japan. Well, the whole allied bombing campaign in WWII in general. Fuck it, the war in general Today’s war crimes don’t hold a candle to it.

    1. Compared to the narrative I was presented with in school or the mainstream, my view on the French Revolution as well as the two world wars, which some historians refer to as one war, interestingly, has completely changed in recent years. On top, there are historically minor events such as the assassination of JFK or 9/11, and even the moon landing, where I have significant doubts regarding the offically prescribed opinion.

    2. Interesting. How is the French Revolution portrayed in Germany? In the US it’s basically that it started with great ideals, (and largely influenced by our own revolution) but went way too far. Giving Thomas Paine a death warrant for example.

    3. One aspect that seems to be completely ignored by the mainstream is that the Freemasons were heavily involved in the French revolution. There are even academic historians who dispute this, despite very clear evidence to the contrary. Of course, Freemasonry shares a rather interesting overlap with a particular group of people.

    4. This actually relates to WWII. The hatred of Hitler drove the allies to extreme measures. Intentionally killing a vast amount of civilians being worth it for the cause. What cause? America sucks today.

    5. Historical issue: I mentioned WW1, recently. When it comes to WW2 I’m still mainstream. I think historical events pre-WW1 are not very relevant.

      Political issue: I guess like a lot of people less libertarian economically and socially; and much more non-interventionist. That’s how the republican party changed, too.

  9. Aaron, in your Women Who Fall for Players thread, I was reminded of this former roommate of mine. All the guys looked up to him. He fucked some ugly chicks and guys thought he was the Man.

    Anyway, he finally fucked a hot girl one random night. I can’t confirm how hot she was, I wasn’t there. I was like “good for him, he got laid.” Then the next day I heard that he said he had a girlfriend. I said, “What,? He just hooked up with some chick.” Then I heard him say it himself. We had a party, and he didn’t even care how many girls would be there, because he “had a girlfriend.”

    This thot didn’t even live in California. The number she gave him was her work number. And she never called him back. This is when I realized what a simp this dude really was. He wound up marrying a mediocre looking (at best) Mexican chick with a kid fathered by a black dude. I repeat, dudes looked up to this guy. A world class cuck.

    1. This is more an example of the one-eyed leading the blind. Probably, the guys looking up to him did not get laid at all, and for the average cuck, having sex with any woman, no matter how repulsive, seems more appealing than not having sex at all. It is also not surprising that this one hot girl he came across had such an impact on him as apparently all the ugly chicks he fucked literally did not count.

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