Just a few decades ago, it was quite normal that women started having children in their early twenties. Yet, in the wake of women’s liberation, childbirth happens much later and much less often. Among university-educated Western women, there is now a sizeable minority, I think it is around 25%, who remain childless. The mass media certainly does a great job discouraging women from wanting to have children. How appealing is it to squeeze a fetus through your vagina when the alternative consists of standing around in a night club, hoping for Chad to swing by? Also, there is the promise of endless variety and the seeming prospect of landing an absolute top-notch partner on Tinder. In reality, those women may get Chad only for a quick romp in the bathroom stall, and most will only dream of that.
Instead of settling for a man who would be an adequate match, today’s women hold out for men who are almost impossible to get. I would argue that any woman in her 20s or 30s who is still not willing to settle down is delusional because if she could have gotten Chad, she would have gotten him already. Not willing to admit this to themselves, they keep dating. They often date men without having any serious interest in them. The issue is that they rather have someone than nobody at all. Yet, those guys they spend months or even one or two years with are more than just harmless placeholders. Those women simply waste their time with them.
Because the Giga-Chad those women want is just now showing up and those women are still holding out, their desire to have children is likewise only expressed in vague terms. They consequently say that they want to have children “someday”. Bizarrely enough, you can even hear women in their late 20s or early 30s say that. They only change their tune in their mid-30s when their biological urges to procreate become too strong to ignore. In fact, mother nature has it arranged so that those women become a lot less picky as they get older. Their internal state can be aptly described as one of sustained panic. At this point, you don’t need to be Chad. Quite the contrary, this is the golden opportunity of the Beta Buxxer! A hottie past her prime at 36 is more than eager to shack up with guys who are merely good enough, and often enough not even that.
Obviously, the previous observation does not apply to all women. Otherwise, we would not have such a pandemic of successful, go-getting, university-educated women who remain childless. In all those instances, however, those women will have spent decades with an unspecific desire to have children. They always only wanted to have children someday. I think if you only want to do something at some unspecified point in the future, you don’t really want to do it. I don’t want to trivialize the matter with the example I’m going to pick, but this reminded me quite of the issue with my backlog of videogames. I don’t have that much time to play games anymore, but I still have a small backlog. However, this is not a chronological backlog. I used to buy stashes of used games on eBay or discounted games on Steam, believing that I want to play them, in principle. However, years later I still haven’t played them, despite thinking that those would be worthwhile games.
If you really want to do something, you will make time to do it. How many guys do you know who told you that they want to write a book? If you want to write a book, then f*cking do it instead of sitting around and thinking about what it will be like to write a book. It’s like with the games I thought I wanted to play, yet never really found the time to. The last big games I played were GTA V, The Witcher III, and Dragon Quest XI. I basically play one big game every two years. In all those cases, they went to the top of my stack right away. Likewise, if a young woman really wanted to become a mother early, she would waste no time with men to fool around with. Instead, she’d try to lock down a guy as soon as possible and get on with it. This would be her main focus. She’d tell you that she wants two kids before the age of 30, or something along those lines. Childless women in their 30s will lose their inhibitions as well. They may tell you on the first date that they want to have kids. This is when their desire to have children becomes concrete instead of being vague and unspecific. Then the problem is whether they can still secure a good enough guy, or any guy at all who is willing to knock them up.
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Question…
1. There’s no shortage of medical research that highlights the difficulties women have conceiving at older age (30 plus). However, there’s seems to be a lot of conflicting literature between women giving birth to infants who have down syndrome and autism. The medical community is often very bias. Have you found any research that supports a correlation between down syndrome, autisms to a woman’s age (30 plus)?
2. “…woman in her 20s or 30s who is still not willing to settle down is delusional because if she could have gotten Chad, she would have gotten him already.”
The problem I see with women now adays is that they rather party than settle down. They often put a higher premium on living a lavish lifestyle than building a family.
3. On a related note…here’s a set of issues I see with women. One, they already have kids from either one baby daddy or different baby daddies. Two, most women are not fit to be great wives and mothers. They are too busy living a life of promiscuity. Three, a lot of women are so stuck on some ex-boyfriend or husband they can’t let go of. So, what are men supposed to do if they want kids?
1) I looked briefly into this and my impression was that the link between high maternal age and autism of the child was quite well established.
2) I agree. They think the party never ends, until it is suddenly over.
3) Find a young, conservative woman. It’s the only plausible choice.
Aaron,
“They think the party never ends…”
On a related note, its seems like women now a days are more money hungry than ever before. Putting money above everything else in life. Also, they seem to be more flakey than before…or is it perhaps the type of women I’m dealing with?
IMO feminism and corporatism fucked everything up. Also colleges and the banks that hold the loans of their students. A whole generation was told a pack of lies. People were better off when they got a job right out of high school and could own a house and raise a family in their early/mid twenties.
College has its place, but most people shouldn’t go (and most don’t finish anyway). People put their lives on hold for years for something that doesn’t help them. Opportunities have deminished because of globalism and corporatist policies enacted by bought off politicians. Feminists were there to cheer it on. They actually thought this would create a better society. I honestly think there is an evil alliance between the Right and the Left elite, which makes choosing a side a losing strategy either way.
About Chris’s point about post 30y/o women having kids with autism and retardation. I know a woman who’s second child she birthed in her early 30s probably has both. I say “probably” because the woman is in such denial that nobody knows for sure. They mapped out a future that fiercely resisted the patriarchy. I am not religious at all but it looks like they are certainly “reaping the whirlwind.”.
the college mania is a completely idiotic trend in our society.
people waste 5 years (or more) of their lifes learning mostly useless stuff, and later they work in jobs which only require basic excel and powerpoint skill.
Imagine how our economy would boom if everyone started working 5 years earlier.
we should get rid of every degree which is not STEM medicine or law.
(and even in STEM you learn mostly useless stuff. e.g. fancy algorithms and then in your job you code javascript frontends).
I think education should be mostly math based, everything else people should be able to teach themselves from the internet.
We used to have this figured out: reserve higher education for the top 10% of high school graduates when only about 1/3 of a cohort even go to high school. Then, separate higher education into the more applied polytechnics and the more academic universities. Problem solved!
Every field that does not require physical interaction (think medicine, sculpting, or the trades in general) could be taught online. We are at a point where teaching is basically a make-work job that does not need to exist. Besides, every smart kid would learn much better on their own than in the average classroom or lecture hall.
What I also find ludicrous is that every degree needs to take 3 + 2 years. In some subjects, this means roughly five years of bullshit. In others, including many STEM fields, there is so much specialization at the end that the practical value, even if you want to pursue a PhD, quickly approximates zero.
The field of History demands your full 4 years, or even more. For subjects such as history of China or Iran, I don’t expect a good undergraduate to be able to fluently read classical Chinese or classical Persian and Arabic in his 4th year. Most western students will run away from the first sign of difficulty.
Textual criticism, placing at the center of History as a discipline, requires intense language abilities aside from necessary analytical skills acquired from your thesis instructor. Text mining, textual comparison, interpolation detection are all challenging and you cannot learn this by yourself, though reading manuals such as “Textual criticism” of Paul Maas will give you sound foundation.
Historical methods, while not that difficult for an average person, require at least 2 years to be horn while all kinds of historical texts are being thrown at you.
“I think education should be mostly math based, everything else people should be able to teach themselves from the internet.”
I don’t think so. Plenty of subjects cannot be taught adequately without going to physical classrooms.
The world won’t work the way you want it to. Universities are there not only to ensure your employability, they serve other purposes as well. It is your job to do a good research before choosing a major. Plenty of students here in the US choose to go to community college and graduate in 2 years in nursing or other subjects.
@Cuong Quoc Vu: if we are going to blow billions of dollars on “educating” the next generation, they better get some useful skills out of it.
if someone is interested in history, they can read the books themselves, all they need is access to a public library / internet. you don’t need a university for that.
and if you need to learn “critical reading” (whatever that is, lol) from a teacher, I fear no amount of education will make you smart.
what teaches you critical and logical thinking is math, not some history classes.
people want to avoid math because they don’t like to think hard, it is mental laziness, nothing else.
also most people I know who went to university for a non STEM degree, are complete morons who think very highly of themselves because they got a useless piece of paper. they know nothing outside of their subject. what they consider “science” is basically leftist ideology.
@Cuong Quoc Vu
“I don’t think so. Plenty of subjects cannot be taught adequately without going to physical classrooms.”
Most can. Don’t tell me you need to sit in a classroom to learn about history, law or psychology, or dynamic programming.
That we are still teaching like this is just a job creation program for useless people, nothing else.
For physics and chemistry you need a lab, for medicine you need bodies. But 95% of subjects don’t need a classroom.
“The world won’t work the way you want it to. Universities are there not only to ensure your employability, they serve other purposes as well. It is your job to do a good research before choosing a major. Plenty of students here in the US choose to go to community college and graduate in 2 years in nursing or other subjects.”
If I’m going to pay taxes for it (in Austria university is tax financed), then I demand that I get something back for it, in the form of people with useful skills who are going to contribute to the economy.
If you are interested in history, great, but this is your hobby and certainly should not financed by taxes.
And if you are going to waste a lot of your time with it, then don’t demand any help from me later in the form of welfare programs, if you cannot find a job.
if your argument is people should have free choice, fine, but then they should also deal with the consequences themselves.
“if someone is interested in history, they can read the books themselves, all they need is access to a public library / internet. you don’t need a university for that.
and if you need to learn “critical reading” (whatever that is, lol) from a teacher, I fear no amount of education will make you smart.”
I am talking about students who learn to become professional historians, not dilletantes who are only interested in History.
No amount of secondary sources can lead you to be a better historian. You need to meet your instructors and let them help you to train your critical skills.
If I present you an ancient text that is highly corrupted, that there exists multiple versions that contain various divergences and differences, I ask you to reconstruct the text so that it can be restored as close to the original copy as possible, how would you handle yourself? That requires advanced philological skills, and the work may span for generations of scholars.
To learn to be able to do that, you cannot just read books. No number of books can teach you to do so.
For example, when I am reading Sleazy’s forum, with the skills that being taught to me in the university, I can detect that he has altered, removed, deleted and edited some posts in the past. I conjecture that the reason he wishes to do so is because certain events has rendered those contents sensitive and need to be removed. Upon looking closer to the posts that has been edited, I think it is because the disintegration of his marriage.
That’s just one skill one learn in the History department.
“what teaches you critical and logical thinking is math, not some history classes.”
I don’t think so. Some people cannot learn Math, simple as that. Their symbolic manipulative skills are not that good. There are people like me who could complete Calc III, but would not be able to do any further with Math (I can handle Linear Algebra computationally, but not theoretically).
If you are only able to learn Math computationally, that’s not going to teach you any logical thinking. You have to be able to prove theorems, and we all know that transition from computation to proof is a very painful process.
If you want to learn logics, pick a book on logics itself. Prepositional logics and an introduction to formal logics will suffice.
“people want to avoid math because they don’t like to think hard, it is mental laziness, nothing else.”
I don’t think so. The number of students who can study deep into Math is extremely small among the population. If you want them to study anything beyond Calc III, they are going to drop like flights. In the West, students may even struggle with Trigs or Algebra. Those students better find a menial labour job, or a field that suits them better.
“and if you need to learn “critical reading” (whatever that is, lol) from a teacher, I fear no amount of education will make you smart.”
Google textual criticism, that is much more than just “critical reading”. Normally, you will enter this field with an introduction to bible textual history.
“also most people I know who went to university for a non STEM degree, are complete morons who think very highly of themselves because they got a useless piece of paper. they know nothing outside of their subject. what they consider “science” is basically leftist ideology.”
I don’t think such an assessment is fair. Maybe because I am in the US.
So you are telling me students who study non-STEM fields are mostly morons?
“If I present you an ancient text that is highly corrupted, that there exists multiple versions that contain various divergences and differences, I ask you to reconstruct the text so that it can be restored as close to the original copy as possible, how would you handle yourself? That requires advanced philological skills, and the work may span for generations of scholars.” in 5-10 years you will have AIs which will be able to do this better than any human could do, so this is not going to be useful much longer anyways.
“So you are telling me students who study non-STEM fields are mostly morons?”
No, I’m telling you if they have a university “education” that is not STEM, it pretty much doesn’t tell you anything about their mental abilities, because almost any moron can get such a degree today.
even in STEM they make it easier each year. soon the STEM degrees will also be almost worthless.
if companies were legally allowed to do it, they could just do IQ tests and skip all of the degree bullshit.
they are just using it as a weak proxy for IQ anyways.
you have “university educated” people, some with PHDs, who think there are 600 different genders (whatever the current number is).
also history is infested with leftist ideology.
white people colonialism, white people bad, blabla, this is pretty much what you learn in history. it is ideology, not facts. I doubt that it is even possible to teach history without being biased.
“in 5-10 years you will have AIs which will be able to do this better than any human could do, so this is not going to be useful much longer anyways.”
How? We are promised that textual mining will be made easier with the advance of new softwares. So far, humans need to work alongside with machine in order to do so.
No softwares so far have shown to surpass humans in textual collation. And tons of manuscripts have not been digitized, that means much less resource for AI to use. Scholars will have to go the traditional route, that is, visit libraries to seek out rare manuscripts of the said documents.
“also history is infested with leftist ideology.
white people colonialism, white people bad, blabla, this is pretty much what you learn in history. it is ideology, not facts. I doubt that it is even possible to teach history without being biased.”
I haven’t heard of those stuffs. It is the truth that white people colonize other civilizations in the 19th century, what is your beef against it?
If a professor wishes to protect his integrity, he will not shove ideologies down the throat of his students. That means he should work in a field that is far remove from modern History.
“I haven’t heard of those stuffs. It is the truth that white people colonize other civilizations in the 19th century, what is your beef against it?”
fact: white people colonized other countries in the past
interpretation/ideology: today these countries are in bad condition because of this colonization, and if colonization didn’t happen they would all be wonderful places to live.
this is the standard narrative the leftist dominated media pushes on the population to guilt trip them to take in all of the immigrants.
and from where do you think they have this? because it is taught like this in universities.
“if companies were legally allowed to do it, they could just do IQ tests and skip all of the degree bullshit.
they are just using it as a weak proxy for IQ anyways.”
So everything you learn in school is useless, an IQ test is enough to prove that you have enough abilities to shoulder a position in their said companies?
How marvelous is such a plan?
“interpretation/ideology: today these countries are in bad condition because of this colonization, and if colonization didn’t happen they would all be wonderful places to live.
this is the standard narrative the leftist dominated media pushes on the population to guilt trip them to take in all of the immigrants.
and from where do you think they have this? because it is taught like this in universities.”
Maybe education in Europe has deteriorated to such a point, I don’t know.
We have a conversation about this with my friend, a professor at Denison in Ohio. He doesn’t feel much pressure from above to spread leftist ideology.
I have a feeling that in the US, people have the personal right to express their opinions. On youtube, lots of videos are posted to counter Lefty. Heck, even my neigbours Hispanic claim that they don’t watch News anymore due to the Left ideology being spread.
It’s not like the Left wield the utter power to spread lies. If anything, the degree of indoctrination nowadays is nowhere near the Communist era in Communist countries.
“So everything you learn in school is useless, an IQ test is enough to prove that you have enough abilities to shoulder a position in their said companies?”
How marvelous is such a plan?
I didn’t say everything you learn in school is useless:
useful is:
reading & writing in your native language, obviously
reading & writing in English
Math
Logic
then maybe basic physics and chemistry. but I don’t know if that is even useful. most are just going to be bored and forget everything anyways, and the people who are interested in this don’t need school to learn it.
then people can specialize, but they should learn something that makes them valueable to our society. engineering, accounting, medicine, whatever.
sociology, gender studies, liberal arts, .. all these kind of subjects are not valueable, and should be considered as hobbies at best.
“sociology, gender studies, liberal arts, .. all these kind of subjects are not valueable, and should be considered as hobbies at best.”
I have a feeling that you are going back to the mindset of a third world country. In my native country, the state of education is exactly what you are asking for. Math and natural sciences receives heavy focus, liberal arts receive a dirt of attention.
The result, both Math and natural sciences cannot match a Western country (the US) while liberal arts are also underdeveloped. This leads to the underdevelopment in all aspects compared to a Western country.
I am currently interested in Speech Pathology, and Accent Reduction. Yet such a field is unheard of in Vietnam, and also in China.
Each and every field has its own place in human society. Sure, we don’t need to churn out more graduate historians than the number of positions in the labour market, that doens’t mean fields that have a removed connection with the current economy is useless.
If you are talking about usefulness, I would say most the Math stuffs now are quite useless, so removed from our daily life. Yet, nobody knows, just tomorrow, those stuffs will come to matter.
“Each and every field has its own place in human society. ”
No. Every subject is not equaliy valueable. stop with that bullshit.
You can run a society without experts in history or arts totally fine.
You cannot run a society without engineers who know how to operate the power plants and factories.
In most countries in Europe the economy is crumbling. Yet there are a lot of unemployed people…. it’s because these people either are too low IQ, or they wasted their time with useless degrees.
and third world countries are not under developed because they have too few people studiying art and history, that is a ridicolus idea.
““Each and every field has its own place in human society. ”
No. Every subject is not equaliy valueable. stop with that bullshit.
You can run a society without experts in history or arts totally fine.
You cannot run a society without engineers who know how to operate the power plants and factories.”
Tell that to those who work in both legal fields and legislator branches of your country. Chances are they are trained in History or a related fields of humanities.
Sure, your ideal society only works with Natural Sciences, all Humanies are rubbish. That’s called short-sighteness.
“and third world countries are not under developed because they have too few people studiying art and history, that is a ridicolus idea.”
Then why lots of people pursue natural sciences yet cannot help to advance that country? After all, the education focus is exactly what you are looking for.
I’m regularly reading a typical leftist progressive Austrian newspaper
(just to debias myself and know what the latest idiotic idea of the leftists is).
Almost all the time they write about family/children they portray it as an absolute chore.
Modern women can’t wait to get rid of their children (drop them off at a 24/7 care facility) so they can get back to their career (which is some useless job most of the time).
No wonder the birth rates are in the shitters.
That shows you the power of ideology/religion. I can brainwash people to a degree, they go against their own biological imperative.
I also think the destruction of the nuclear family is not just a side effect of feminism, but this is actually the goal of the cultural marxists. If people have strong families, they are not as dependent on the state, so this is a total nogo for the communists.
@Aaron: how did you like witcher III?. would you recommend it ?
It’s a good game by and large, but not without flaws. I enjoyed it quit a bit but I completely soured on it towards the end, so much so that I did not bother playing the acclaimed DLC episodes. The game is sold for 15 EUR during sales these days. I’d say get it, but stop playing after you’ve completed the Blood Baron quest, which I thought was masterful. The game doesn’t get any better afterwards.
I don’t want to needlessly spoil anything about this game for you, so read on at your peril:
– Mechanically, the game is pretty mediocre. The fighting mechanics are not enjoyable as they are too simplistic. The characters also controls really poorly (try turning around in tight quarters!). Towards the end, I lowered the difficulty because fighting was such a chore.
– The lauded morality system is off-putting. The game was praised for depicting characters as having complex motivations. This goes so far that I don’t even recall encountering someone who was just good or just evil. Instead, the game shoehorns in contrived mixed motivations, which IQ100 normies went gaga over. After the tenth time you’ve encountered someone seemingly good with sinister motives or someone bad who was trapped in unfortunate circumstances he had no control over it only makes you cringe. The game is sadly not very subtle about this.
– The big push behind the story is a bunch of meanies called “The Wild Hunt”. You don’t really encounter them during the 80+ hour quest, except a very brief interlude. Then, they suddenly show up at the end, and, to add insult to injury, the game is concluded with a deus-ex-machina story device. This is incredibly lazy writing, and the main reason why I regret having played the game.
– You’ll encounter a lot of strong and independent women. You can bang a few of them in the game, which normies seem to like. However, you’re basically the bitch boy of some sorceress or witch for significant stretches of the game. Oh, and of course they bang you because you did some chores for them. Some of the interactions with females are completely implausible and will only make you roll your eyes.
As a consequence, my excitement for Cyberpunk 2077 is rather low. I’ll probably play it one day, but I don’t feel a strong urge. It certainly doesn’t make me want to head out and buy a PlayStation 5.
I was interested in it because of the sexual content I was thinking maybe the game is black pilled (most games these days avoid any kind of sexualizing women) which could be interesting, but if what you write is true I will skip it. thanks, was a very helpful opinion!
This is the first hit when I search for “Witcher III Geralt simp”:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Witcher3/comments/j52a5v/is_geralt_a_simp/g7p7via/
Of course, the pay-off with sexual favors is not guaranteed. You need to pick the right choices during conversations to get laid. You can’t just take a chick who’s horny. Instead, sex is framed as something you have to bargain for. You can play this game as a total simp, too, i.e. you do all the chores and you don’t get laid.
Imagine a Viking simulation game in which you can rape and pillage, and take slaves. Almost unthinkable something like that could be made today.
On the other side there are games in which you can destroy/genocide entire countries by dropping nukes or biological weapons on them.
Just tells you not to take people serious when they talk about “morality”
@Aaron: I think cyberpunk will suck. Most games are ruined by SJW political correctness bullshit these days.
good example is red dead redemption 2
in this game you are supposed to be a criminal, but you cannot even have sex with a prostitute.
also in the game sometimes women are kidnapped and you can save them. but there is no option to kidnap someone yourself (and again, you are supposed to be a violent criminal)
also there are no children in the game at all (because then you could kill them…)
stuff like that makes most games unplayable to me.
I would buy it on sale. The combat is absolutely horrible and I am not a fan of any game that tries to shove crafting down your throat if it is not a crafting game. The world and story is amazing, though. If you can get the complete edition for $20 or less, it is worth it IF you don’t have anything else to play.
Probably shouldn’t be getting any woman in her 30s pregnant any way. Unless she was getting out of a long term relationship and not hoping from date to date or boyfriend to boyfriend, women in their 30s are almost always horrible for long term relationships. They tend to either be too selfish and self-centered, or have way too much baggage.
This is all actually pretty good news.
Steven Turley makes a point about this in “The return of Christendom”.
The dynamic you describe above actually is good for those with many children.
For instance, the birthrates might be low, but an average of 1.6 doesn’t tell you much about the distribution. (Shame on me for not looming deeper into the distribution.)
I guess it boils down to conservative Christians vs. Muslims. Turley’s book is a bit light on that matter.
I wouldn’t be worried about the women you refer to above, though. They won’t pass on their genes with their mating strategy.
This would be great in a monoethnic society, but what if differential birth rates lead to a minority outbreeding the majority?
That’s exactly what is happening. Hence my point about two minorities fighting it out. It’s conservative Christians vs. the goatfuckers.
Isn’t the birthrate of the latter going down in the West?
@Neutralrandomthoughts:
A not so small part of me is actually rooting for the Muslims to take over Europe…
Kind of sad, and I know these people are crazy, but compare it to your average European, who is:
– cucked out of his mind
– thinks that men cutting of their dick and dressing like a woman is completely normal
– on the other side, thinks that men who prefer young women are mentally ill
– a socialist by heart
– thinks that gender is a social construct
– thinks that violence is always wrong, to the point of insanity
are they any less crazy ?
The current society we have in western Europe is not sustainable, Islam is.
You’ll sing a different tune, when the muzzies take over and teenagers get their fingers amputated because they stole something at the local grocery store.
I prefer the dumb cucks we have now to the fundamentalist whackos you can find in the Middle East.
I think I will be fine. I will convert and then get my 4 jailbait wifes 😀
Na to be serious, I don’t live in a higly populated area, so I doubt we would have any issues here. And by the time the muslims reach a significant mass I will be so old that I don’t give a fuck anymore anyways.
Also I somewhat think the people in Europe deserve this on some level.
If you let the enemy in you deserve to suffer.
Have a female asian friend. She wanted kids since turning 19. She is slightly above average at best, speaks 4 languages fluently, was always a straight A student, met a 10 year older chad state lawyer with 21 (via tinder), got her first child with 23, second one at 25. Got an A grade masters degree while working part time and having two kids.
This whole thing baffles me up to this day, because her man is way out of her league. He could easily get one of those blonde bimbos, but he took a average conservative asian women. He had all the fun with western stacy and then took the asian housewife that got a better education than your typical college slut while having two kids, a part time job and a household at the same time
seems like a smart choice? he probably still fucks the blonde bimbos on the side..
Sounds a bit like Aaron’s setup 😉
This sounds like the set up for many cultures for elite men. I was raised to believe it is absolutely terrible here in the US.
I don’t know what he is doing, I just know that he is working in his prison office 12 hours a day overlooking the inmate backyard. I think at some point you’re done with this casual shit. It’s just funny that those Stacies are waiting for a guy that gets taken away by average women who put in the work and move fast.
I think it’s because most women realize how much work having a kid really is when they see their friends having children. Women in past generations were basically shamed into having a family… if they couldn’t find a husband they were considered a failure. I can’t hate on them though as I don’t like children either and don’t plan to have any haha.