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[Sticky] Open Thread #403: Women/Dating

Aaron "Sleazy" Elias

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28 thoughts on “[Sticky] Open Thread #403: Women/Dating”

    1. An interesting aspect is that the girl admitted to “kissing” when faced with undeniable evidence that she has been cheating. You can bet that has been having sex with this guy for months. If the messages her boyfriend found were a bit more innocent then she may have tried telling him that she was only hugging the other guy.

    3. I’m dumbfounded at the number of women who think actions in life don’t have consequences. Pretty cool how he made a profit. Plus he didn’t have to sit through that concert.

    4. It shows you the way modern Western women “love” their men.

      No wonder our blog is so dark and jaded.

    5. I think it was Aaron who made this comparison in the past, but in the classic movie The Matrix, remaining in the blue pill can result in living a happy fulfilling life. Sure, you’re living a lie, but since you live and die a happy life, you probably wouldn’t care that much.

      In the real world though, remaining deluded in the blue pill sadly doesn’t necessarily result in a happy and fulfilled life. You trust blindly, you get fucked over. (even if you’re Chad)

      https://alphamale20.com/blackdragonblog/2015/07/14/letting-emotions-rule-you/

      I’ve spoken of my (maybe “former” would be appropriate here. we are nowhere near as close as we used to be. but he definitely has a special place in my heart) best friend getting a pregnancy scare. I might be seeing the beginning of my friend ending up a similar story to the above.

      He’s the only one somewhat involved in my personal life that I’ve introduced to Aaron’s blog and writings in an attempt to help him, but strongly rejected the message. This is not the first time a woman has put him through a living hell, btw.

      I’m honestly afraid to contact him again and possibly hear the bad news.

      To be honest, I’m not particularly impressed with where I am in life. I definitely think I could be better. But when I compare myself to some of the folks around me or schoolmates I used to know, I would absolutely not trade places with them.

    6. Maybe do not compare yourself with where you could be had you made optimal choices, with the power of hindsight, throughout your life. I was put on a somewhat rocky trajectory because I got little support from my parents. I think it is fair to say that they even sabotaged my development. Had they not done that, it is quite likely that I could have jumped on the dot-com boom of 1998/1999. Instead, I basically wasted my 20s, and partly this was an expression of me rebelling against my parents. To use a simpler example: I had friends who told me about bitcoin at around 2010, suggesting I buy a few “just in case”. I did not have a lot of spare change back then, so I did not buy any. On the other hand, I know one guy I suspect became a millionaire thanks to BTC. He died a few years ago, during some shaman ritual somewhere in South America, after consuming ayahuasca. It is easy to imagine a different timeline in which he is still alive.

      Perhaps it is better to look at both the plausibly best and worst outcomes in your life, and if you are somewhere in the middle you should probably be reasonably happy with what you have achieved. If this is too abstract, then think of all the way you could have plausibly been a lot worse of, and be glad that you are not. The simplest example is looking at some chicks you have banged and could potentially have impregnated. Your life would likely be pretty fucked if you had done so.

    7. Thanks, Aaron. Another good post. I suffer from depression, but things could be a hell of a lot worse. I think a lot of dudes sell themselves short. Not capitalizing on their strengths.

      Another thing, you didn’t say the cliche “others have it worse.” That makes depression WORSE. But I could have it worse if I didn’t make some of the decisions I’ve made. WAY more inspirational.

    8. @CQV

      Goddamn are we that bad? Hhhmmm……

      But I think it’s what you insinuated. Society has pushed us to a certain point.

  2. I know most dudes here don’t prefer black chicks, but this video brought back memories and gave me a chuckle. This represents quite well how men behave in the opening stages of seduction. Never realized how much I touch my face when I find a girl attractive 😆

    For what it’s worth…..Jessica or any female lurkers: Take note.

    https://youtu.be/MoaceIZxaao?si=rBs-zIweQh0WYFKB

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    1. GL&S

      I saw the hottest early 20 year old black chick today . She was fiiiiiiiiine as the homiest day.
      God damn.
      She had everythang . The smooth skin, dem big titties , small waist and awesome ass in tight jeans.
      I walked past her , then did a 180 and followed her back up the road , her ass and walk was that fucking sexy. It was like soft porn. 🥵

      I have zero problem with dem black ho’s 👌
      Nice pieces !

      Sheeeeit 😆

    2. I am not familiar with this book but there is a somewhat related one, which you may enjoy: The Manipulated Man by author Esther Vilar. Her main thesis is that women control men and thus it is incorrect to speak of women as being oppressed.

    3. Sounds like an interesting book, Aaron! Thanks for the tip! 🙂

      Based on the summary of the book on the Wikipedia page at:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manipulated_Man

      …I’d say I agree with some of her views, disagree with some. Those are often some of the more interesting reads. 🙂

      I also noted that on her Wiki page, she’s a German who was born in Argentina, but her parents went there “before it was cool,” i.e. before late, or post, WWII (she was born there in 1935). I wonder what the story behind that was.

  4. I recently wondered why we are seeing less of the exaggerated silicone tits that used to be so common. As it turned out, technology has simply advanced and recent implants no longer look like soccer balls but instead much more natural. Here is an interesting article on the history of breast implants, a discipline, as I learned, that dates back to the 19th century:
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6797490/

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  5. Hey Men of Sleazys blog.

    Just thought I’d pop on and give my quick current thoughts on Online Dating.
    All imo/ IME , obvs, but here goes;

    1. It’s pretty much all pictures and looks based. Period. Regardless of what BS they say in their Bio. Period. 95% looks and then quick scan for red flags in bio . (Maybe)
    I’ve argued this with a fair few chicks now about and most ‘lol’ then completely 180 and agree w me and restate this. (Ok ok I’m a slow learner ..)

    2. Most of what chicks write on their bios is their “ideal” and I completely disregard it now, due to point 1 above. Fuck all that BS. albeit a few key points noted quickly for below strategy.
    That shit is for low level males they are on fence aboht only. It all goes out the window if there is sexual attraction based on looks. Because all of that is l-o-g-I-c-a-l and a “wish list” . Once mating circuits quickly engaged . It’s out the window bye bye.

    3. The chat ought to be either
    (a) straight up flirting , quick and easy
    (B) teasing the shit out of them . Hard. Then into sexual flirting after getting dominance.
    (c) arguing and debate of strong opinions hard and I must dominate. Or we agree to disagree and I get her respect.

    4. Tbh right now , majority of the hookups I’ve had so far happen after about 10 messages either side with lots of momentum. Quick instadate type situs and later that night usually. Then I push hard and obviously sleaze on for the same night lay.

    5. Atm I’ve figured out I need to get the fuck off the app asap as they are shit for comms . I request snapchat or kik messenger or x comms app after 5 messages. Staying on the app =death ,either / either way.
    Snapchat is waaay cooler and more functional with audio , video etc and they feel safer to move to sexy flirting etc. (I think)

    6. After usage of the last 6 months my intuition is much better now. it’s either happening within 2 days of Match or not at all. If no in person date has been setup in that time, it’s kinda over. Unless she is super keen. Which means she’s not that hot. So it’s over.

    7. Bottom line now for me is – in the first 5-6 messages if I don’t receive a compliment on my looks , I call em out on it and reframe the whole convo and start telling her how to flirt properly via my own rules . I’m taking control of convos as a rule now , and if chicks don’t follow I bin them.
    Much better process for me now 👍
    Less time chatting more time tweaking my pics to the best versions across the different apps now.

    Probably nothing amazing there and all in Sleazys book perhaps .
    Comments / debate welcome cheers CJ

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    1. In some ways when the chat is going according to my expectations .. gotta be honest sometimes it feels like I am the Master and she is the Dog. It’s reward and punishment stuff, and I say lots of edgy risky stuff but with flair. Then they start submitting and following with the role play (or whatever) and obeying more and changing their behaviour, it feels like breaking a wild dog sometimes or something with these bitches.

      I recall DavidD recommending some book about Dog Training back in the PuA days.
      Perhaps there was actually something useful in that. That is the best dynamic I find. 🤷🏻‍♂️

      Maybe a dog training book is the best way to learn it … hmmm 🤔

    2. DavidD? are you talking about David DeAngelo? I don’t recall that from his material. its the other way around. “Cocky-Funny” is essentially just a form (less egregious than outright supplication, but still…) of what is nowadays called “Jestermaxxing”

    3. Hey Maou

      Yeah pretty sure I read somewhere DavidDeAngelo was recommending reading a book on Dog Training as part of his early seminars. It may have come from Neil Strausses writing in the book the Game that was the source afaik.
      Makes some sense. As chicks respond really really well to Dominant men. That is actually maybe I’m front of looks, the #1 attraction trigger for females. According to some oPUa theory. Which I would subscribe to.

      When I practiced being more of a “Dominant Asshole” type in my younger years of pickup in pubs and clubs , my lays Increased significantly. Which is why I do subscribe to the theory.

      Also as an aside , when I saw Sleazy describe himself as the “ Asshole Rockstar “ in his early writes I went “ yep! I can see that working. Cos it worked for me too. Definitely.

      That’s why I still advocate Banter as being very important . A particular type of assholish dominant verbal banter is very key in my understanding of pickup.

      I expanded a lot there but yknow. It’s all relevant I think

      DavidDs whole “ cocky- funny” ideas he actually modelled on 2-3 guys he flat shared with in the early days. I think they were possibly, Brent Smith and another Rick H and 3rd dude called ‘Craig’.

      I don’t like the term “jester myself .
      It suggests court jester or dancing monkey to me . Which is no good.

    4. David DeAngelo used to recommend a lot of books. I recall watching a video clip that shows him going through an entire pile of them. It was absolutely ridiculous. He made it sound as if you needed to get a Bachelor’s degree if not a PhD in the theory of pick-up before you can actually meet women. I saw plenty of pretty dumb guys having no issue with talking to girls and getting laid so it was quite obvious to me that he was on the wrong track. Of course, a more cynical view is that this was not really his belief but that he needed to create many hours of content for his seminars.

    5. But in fairness.. I do prefer Jester-maxxing vs ‘cocky-funny’.
      It should be just ‘cocky-confident’ /cocky/arrogant or just ‘unshakeably confident.’

      DavidD was a boring shithead.

      So Maou- can u bring me up to speed on Jestermaxxing ? Who is the current #1 teacher or proponent of this Jestermaxxing on YouTube etc? The most popular coach I guess

  6. Who is to say that he was successful with women? His wife is not exactly a looker. Pictures of his wedding were leaked online back in the days.

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