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Open Thread #383: Women/Dating

Aaron "Sleazy" Elias

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    1. I used to do this kind of thing back in the day.
      Sneaky shots of sexy chicks on the street in hot outfits. Very risky activity. I got busted by an older women one time doing it. luckily I bullshitted my way out of it. She was pretty pissed off and lectured me for 5 mins or so and probably would have called over a cop if one nearby 👮‍♂️ 😱
      A guy could get arrested here for this as it’s breach of consent or something or so I’ve heard.

    2. I gotta ask you, man, what’s so tempting about doing stuff like that?

      Best case scenario you get a picture of a random girl, but you can find five million equally good ones on the Internet with a simple Google search.

      Worst case scenario you get arrested.

      It seems like a really bad idea, to me.

      (And I haven’t even gotten into the negative effects on the psyche that come from engaging in degenerate behavior.)

    3. It’s the thrill of having a photo taken of a run-of-the-mill girl (Girl from Next Door). On the Internet, you never know whether these are fakes or AI photos…

    4. “Best case scenario you get a picture of a random girl, but you can find five million equally good ones on the Internet with a simple Google search.”

      I’ve been guilty of this myself when I was much younger, but aside from the “thrill” of doing something naughty (“forbidden fruit” effect is a bitch), to someone you know personally (so the “girl-next-door” effect is added), I feel it also has to do with the novelty effect. sure, you can go on google and find countless women who are just as good looking or even better, but you most likely won’t find someone who looks EXACTLY like her. (unless she’s a celebrity or you have access to her socials and she loves posting provocative photos. Younger me had a field day with these types of chicks, lol. though I refrained from liking/interacting with the photos back in those days.)

      For better or worse, the primitive part of our brains has a tendency to associate “rare/hard to access = valuable”. This is one of those things where “Game” influences results. It won’t make up for a complete lack of attraction, as we all already know. (I’m sure some of us here has had the hilarious experience of having unattractive chicks attempt to run this on us only to fall flat on their faces. In fact, maybe some of the “Hallucinated Rejections” we’ve talked about before might be an attempt at reverse psychology. it wouldn’t surprise me. lol) But if there is some meaningful degree of it, your actions can certainly influence the results.

      “Girl Game” works incredibly well on bluepilled men. I’d say that’s a big part of the reason you see so many dudes who end up with chicks who are just a plain terrible deal in retrospect. they play the scarcity game and the men’s primitive brains tricks them into thinking they’ve got something special in front of them. We needed experienced Seducers like Sleazy to warn us of this tactic to avoid falling into it.

      Just to be clear though, I don’t condone the degenerate behavior of sneaking snapshots on strangers. I haven’t done that shit in many years (and, fortunately or unfortunately, I don’t need to anyway. Many women’s instagram profiles have turned into softcore porn these days,LOL), but just to explain why some dudes may get enticed to doing it.

    5. Side note: all of those chicks are wearing lululemon. There was a controversy about their fabrics causing infertility and/or cancer.

    6. There are reports about both. Well, the female mind cares much more about the present so if Stacy can show off her camel toe and firm ass in the present, long-term effects of the chemicals in these overpriced yoga pants (social status!) are not really a concern for her. If I had my schizo hat on, I would speculate if lululemon is a CIA operation, designed to lower the white birth rate even further.

    7. Cheap creepy thrills I guess
      Cos they are real random hot women IRL and it’s taboo.
      Why do peeping Toms do what they do?
      Or flashers ? Da sexual thrillz of da ‘sex fever’

    8. @Maou
      You are correct re Girl Game and perceived scarcity. That works both ways tbh. A lot of the older game books are based on some books for women called “The Rules” and “why men love bitches” .. just the script flipped for men Re being scarce .

      Re the sneaky pics.. my brother busted me one day along with that other older woman. So I stopped once I got the “creep” label from mah bro,

      Had them on a hard drive somewhere but deleted them all at some point (cough )

      Ps how long do HDD type external storage units last?
      I read somewhere they were actually as reliable as SSDs. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Maybe moreso if handled with care.

    9. If you do not drop a hard disk, they easily outlast their useful life. You will eventually run into the problem that technological progress makes it implausible to keep old hardware around, for instance because you need to use adapters or new products are faster, cheaper, and more reliable. I would not want to go back to HDDs, though, because they are unbearably slow. Arguably, they only make sense if you want to store many TBs of data that you do not often access.

    11. Aaron,
      So, do you recommend an SSD for storing word documents, pdf files, videos, and pictures long-term than HHD?

      I like HHD because I am able to store large amounts of files, and I am able to recover any loss or corrupt data if something happens to it compared to SSD which can be complicated if any data is lost or corrupted.

      However, I have seen some HHD have a long longevity life span. Budget is not an issue for me. My primary concern is to be able to recover any loss or corrupt data and longevity, and my primary use is just to store pictures, word document, and pdf.

    12. Define long-term! The data I back up, using multiple storage devices as well as physical locations, is less than two GBs, and if I finally dedicated a weekend or so to cleaning it up, I it would probably be somewhere between 500 MB and 1 GB. For this, an SDD is perfectly fine. I use a combination of SDDs and thumb drives, in fact.

      If you want to store large amounts of data, maybe look into a so-called RAID setup. You can put together four HDDs or so, and if one of the disks fails, you can replace them as the data is mirrored across disks. Using one RAID for working with your data, in addition to perhaps two large HDDs for backup purposes, would provide plenty of insurance against data loss.

    13. SSDs need to be powered on once every 4-6months (minimum) or the cells will start to lose their charge, resulting in data loss.

    14. Aaron,
      “Define long-term!

      One, I am not computer or tech savvy, but I am thinking hardware that would have a longevity of 30 years or so. I would like to pull out an external hard drive after 30 years, plugged it into my computer, and be able to see old pictures that I left a long time ago. I am speculating that 30 years is not realistic, thus, I would have to constantly transfer data to new hardware.

    15. I am not sure I would make a bet on any technology being around for 30 years. I recently came across some CD-Rs I burnt in the late 1990s or early 2000s. I do not know if they still work but even if, it would be a bit of a hassle to get access to the data as none of the computers or laptops I own has a CD/DVD drive. Probably you will have to update your backup media every five to ten years.

    16. CD-R ought to still work fine as long as not scratched too badly. I still have heaps of old CDRs that work.

      As an aside, my old trusty laptop is a Toshiba satellite w a dvd / BR drive . 2nd Gen Pi7 sandy bridge And an Nvidia GT340 fx (!) chip . (It runs GTA 4 fine)
      I bought it about 2011/2012… 😆 it has windows 8.1 (!) which MS keeps flashing me that is no longer supported haha. I have 2 others newer but I’m too lazy to transfer all the data off the Toshiba ..

      It’s still going ….and my trusty workhorse with games and DAWs and movies on it.

      But starting to ‘click’ a bit too much now time to retire her finally. 🤷🏻‍♂️

      Oh and it weighs a Ton also 😂 with a brick of a charger.

      Go Toshiba!

  2. Need some opinions and thoughts for someone else here on a bumble date I’m going on tmrw.
    This is a hotter chick whereby I had to overcome her objections that I didn’t have LTR listed as an option on my Bumble Bio, ( casual fun dates and intimacy w/o commitment I’ve selected – must revise this)

    It’s an Audio recording laying out what’s happened so far

    Question I have is – do u think she’s likely down to bang or not ?

    voca.ro/1jyvm4SehFrb

    Reply

    1. Cheeky,

      I don’t know if it’s just me, but all your voca.ro links end up giving me “Sorry, the requested media could not be found. It may have expired or been deleted.”

      Maybe instead of recording your voice, you could just write, but write… less than normally? 😉

    2. He might be writing from mobile, and if so, I can perfectly understand why he’s resorted to voice messages. I write from a laptop and writing rambling novels from here is no problem for me. Switch me to mobile/texting however, and I prefer to be succinct and minimal. I got my first cellphone rather late in life, and so I never developed much of an attachment (nor skill in its usage) to them other than for practical usages. I don’t know if that’s a blessing or a curse. 🤷‍♂️

    3. @ Karl

      I deleted as the dates been done now and had a 2nd date already. That girl is doing the ‘3 -dates -to-bang ‘traditional thing. Plus I’m an old dog.

      Try this one – it’s just my basic approach and some thoughts Re this Neo direct game style.
      Just listen to the fist 5 mins as I went on a bit.

      voca.ro/1kdZPHccQQsG

      @ Maou yeah I post from my iPhone and I have massive thumbs it’s annoying for me

    4. Ok, this one works but it’s over half an hour long…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLMSf4afzo

      🙂

      Try just writing man, but keep it shorter. If you need to, write it out in Wordpad or something, then edit it down and structure it before you post it.

      Audios are problematic anyway because this is a written forum, and when they are deleted, big part of the conversation just disappear into space.

    5. We’ll just listen to the first 5 mins
      That’s my general approach and open
      After that it’s just my thoughts and ranting on this Neo direct shit.

      I’m still confused now on what is Direct Game and what is Indirect Game tbh. There’s just so many varieties tbh. 🤷🏻‍♂️

      Basically my approach is all eye contact, voice tone and body language. I never need to state interest directly verbally w “I like u/ though u were cute/ etc”

      It’s completely unnecessary in my book,
      Saying that off the bat that is like premature ejaculation to me. It shows a guy can’t handle the build up of sexual tension.

      I eyefuck chicks off the bat and just talk bullshit, fluff and cover stories to allow me to make physical moves to go for Arousal.

    6. The problem with the written word is it removes Tonality. Which is the most important part to me of Pickup!
      I live by “It’s not what u say it the way u say if “

      The simple opener “ Hey” can be said about 10 or more different ways to give a different meaning and subtext.

      I’d say it like “ Heyyyyyyyyy” 😏 with a ‘smirking/knowing/sexual’ tonality yknow?
      Like the Joey Tribiani character from the Friends tv show ( he’s a good role model)

      “ how you doing?”
      Vs
      “ how YOU dooooooinnnn “ 😉 😏

      I wanna hear Sleazy say his lines like “ let’s fuck first and talk later “ as he grabbed em by the box. Haha . Makes all the difference HOW it’s said to me. Plus how he looks of course too. Both together = a ‘persona’.

      It’s the Persona that is key to me.

      My other role model was Dr Hannibal Lector from the Silenxe of the Lambs movie. (!) for realz.
      For his unflinching eye contact and intensity, That can build up massive sexual tension with EC.
      That ‘ killer’ vibe. But I add some charm to it .

  3. Ok, you guys will love this one. I’ve been building a high-status brand on social media as I might have hinted at. Basically it’s profile full of high-status activities, surrounded by models etc…

    I’ve always called out feminists on their bullshit online whenever they post BS. They used to call me an incel (as they do). Now that I have a high-status presence, surrounded by beatiful women, etc… they respond to my comments (exact same comments I’ve always made) by being all sweet and reasonable and nice.

    Reply

    3. I see dismantling gaslighting as my life’s mission and purpose. It’s wide-scale bullying as far as I’m concerned.

    4. When my sister met her current husband they exchanged e-mail addresses:) But that was in the late 90s when the Internet was relatively young. Maybe it was a fad back then. I don’t even use email at all anymore. I do everything by text.

    5. Email usage has drastically declined. Even plenty of businesses have switched to messengers like WhatsApp. I wonder if the root cause is the excessive amount of spam. Quite often, a day or two passes before I check my emails.

    7. Last one cos I’ve spammed the thread now but this is great . Hilarious how the host spins his behaviour to “preying” on women . Mature women in their 20s-30s who are smart , know what’s going on and sexually active. 🙄 Haha.

      https://youtu.be/sgWUKUQ0etk?si=lar2VO0sFZXtGYSG

      In my mind this guy and the blogger here are interchangeable looks wise. So hence the ease and success with pickup.

    8. That’s bluepill society for ya, Cheeky. Casual sex is seen as some sort of evil icky thing and if you dare to pursue/ask for it, you are an evil icky sleazybag as far as they’re concerned!

      It was overlooked back in the day, with the explanation being that not all women Janka approached found him their type (which is true, you’ve said you’ve read Sedmyth so I assume you’re not unfamiliar with the concept that looks and beauty aren’t necessarily the same thing, etc.) and that overlooked aspect is that there’s probably a good amount of women who did reject his advances DID find him attractive, but because of anti-slut defense and propensity for plausible deniability, couldn’t accept his advances without additional investment.

      Direct Game is great for saving you time and investment. If you get rejected doing it, you’re not too sour/heartbroken about it because you didn’t waste substantial investment just to get nothing in the end. (unlike the guy that courts a woman for months/years only to be told “no” in the end)

      When I was much younger before I learned anything about all this, this was a big part of the reason that turned me off about mainstream dating. Like, I’m expected to wine and dine (man pays all the expenses, after all!) a woman over the course of several dates (which could very well be a timespan of months), and if I get angry about not getting anywhere after that, I’m “entitled”? (but somehow they aren’t for expecting or even demanding us to shoulder all the expenses in what is supposed to be a “getting to know each other” process?) I saw it as a losing deal even before I ever read a single manosphere article. I guess younger me was kinda smart in that sense, lol.

      The way Alek described how to run Non-Direct Game (without you getting fucked over) I think is the great balancing point. You just get to know the women in your niche, you’re not throwing copious investment at them in an attempt to impress. You’re just having fun and enjoying their company. If it doesn’t work out (provided you picked the niche for reasons OTHER than just getting some nookie, which was the advise in Minimal Game to begin with), you’re not too bitter about it and can go on doing your own thing in the niche until a better opportunity comes along.

    9. Direct Game is great for saving you time and investment. If you get rejected doing it, you’re not too sour/heartbroken about it because you didn’t waste substantial investment just to get nothing in the end. (unlike the guy that courts a woman for months/years only to be told “no” in the end)

      If you are unlucky, you might get rejected a lot and get burnt out. You should pursue multiple women at the same time so not to waste time on that maybe girl, or not to become too needy

      Also, if you are not too handsome and do not have high social status, straight out asking for sex will be detrimental to you because by definition you will get rejected a lot. Try to go for the social circle thing is better than cold approach, which requires 2 costly thing:

      1) You must be her type for casual relationship

      2) She must be the open type for those funs.

      The first is fixed and unchangeable
      The second depends a lot on your environments.

    10. @CQV

      “If you are unlucky, you might get rejected a lot and get burnt out.”

      Yeah, I wasn’t arguing that Direct Game is better. As you’ve pointed out, those are all cons that definitely come with Direct Game. Worst case scenario is you earn a reputation that makes your life harder. Paul Janka ending up on TV right there surely doesn’t help him. Roosh back in the day had to move frequently because it wouldn’t take long till he “poisons the well” in the city he was living at. Worst case scenario, if you’re socially uncalibrated enough, you end up like our good ol friend Sean Larson:

      https://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2013/11/real-life-example-of-pua-who-creeped_6.html

      Non-Direct Game (as described by Alek) in a social niche that you like is the safest path to go, especially for non-Chads. no argument from me there. All I was pointing out was why I could see the appeal of Direct Game for those attractive/high-status enough to be able to run it.

      We see that there are consequences for indiscriminately approaching enough. I have a feeling we start out with Approach Anxiety for evolutionary purposes.

      I’ve mentioned training BJJ in a new gym now, and being pleasantly surprised by the better instruction. Its a relatively small class, which is a good thing if you’re prioritizing learning BJJ as the instructors are able to laser focus on your development. Not so much for “social circle game”. I rarely ever see women in training. (even if I did, the environment is not advantageous for dating when the circle in question is so small AND the males in the environment vastly outnumber the females. The best environment is where the women vastly outnumber the men. That’s why Bars and Clubs invite hot women into the venue for free.)

      My instructor has told me that he might invite me out to introduce me to other BJJ branches one of these days. I didn’t join BJJ to meet chicks (I said elsewhere that, sadly, the combat sports niche might not necessarily be the best place to meet women. Unless you like your women on the more masculine looking side), but I wonder if that will be a good opportunity for that purpose. I guess I’ll just see if/when it happens.

    11. @AlekNovy

      “I see dismantling gaslighting as my life’s mission and purpose. It’s wide-scale bullying as far as I’m concerned.”

      Definitely bullying, seeing as how feminazis are going as far as trying to get LAWS passed down to support their insanity. Yeah, a socially awkward geek touches your elbow and makes you uncomfortable for 10 seconds means he deserves to lose 10 years of his life (and a permanently ruined reputation after) behind bars? I don’t think anything more needs to be said here.

    12. @cuong

      Janka is a very smart cookie. He willingly went on those TV shows/exposes cos he knew it would get his face & who he was out there to a much wider audience of women -that may be interested in a casual setup w a handsome player guy like him. Pretty smart imo.

      @Maou
      2 issues I have w Aleks social circle game ;
      1) it’s kinda passive
      2) a guy is limited to the pool of girls and the quality of that pool in his Social circles
      3) as it’s a mixed social circle – a guy will face competition for other males in the group.**

      Ps – have u ever seen how guys behave when a hot chick is placed among them? It’s AMOG central. So a guy may have to do battle with other guys most likely,

      Jankas street game method cuts out a few of those limitations.

      I do get very confused with the term thrown around her re Direct , indirect , socially calibrated indirect, neo direct etc . I prefer to think in terms of Methods. Each player is unique and all run their method that works .. for THEM.

      I still stand by the opinion that this neo-direct / verbally interest off the bat is a really dumb idea. Check out this Juan guy again running “ I like you” in the 1st try of this video ( a pretty hot chick)
      .it bombs very badly for the reasons I outlined previously. He has to backpedal into mega-damage control immediately after directly stating intent verbally .
      Stupid stupid move imo. I would be 100% to any guy doing this game. it just won’t work.

      https://youtu.be/cj9tvIFcUeU?si=W5gkrPKyRPyR-Did

    13. 100% *against * it!!
      That’s pure ‘Cringe-Game’ to me.

      Like I said before below – the immediate reaction from any actually attractive chick will be “ and why is that now exactly?/ you don’t even know me”.

    14. “have u ever seen how guys behave when a hot chick is placed among them? It’s AMOG central. So a guy may have to do battle with other guys most likely”

      Oh yes. that’s a big part of the reason a social circle/niche where the men outnumber the women is not an advantageous environment. Ideally, you want the women to outnumber the men as much as possible to discourage male jockeying for females as in that environment (because no sane man really wants to fight when fighting has very real risks), there’s options for everybody.

      And that’s another part of the reason why I say the Combat Sports niche is probably not a good place for this purpose. Last time I went to BJJ training, I rolled with a blue belt (5 years of training apparently, he just hasn’t had the chance to get a promotion, so he might well be considered purple belt level at this point) whom I outweighed by probably 80-100lbs (granted, a lot of that weight is flab, but still..), yet he submitted me in less than 20 seconds. Of course, we were sparring, not fighting, but I can tell from the experience that this is somebody I do NOT want to get into a fight with. (nor with any of the other experienced practitioners there)

      Last thing I need is jockeying with a bunch of trained dudes over the few females that are there.

      Both approaches (Direct and Non-Direct) obviously have their pros and cons, and their effective applicability depends on the qualities/abilities of the player in question. Alek espouses Non-Direct Game for non-chads/normies, but his approach is Direct Game, as he’s got the status to run it, and it saves him a lot of time/investment.

      “Each player is unique and all run their method that works .. for THEM.”

      oh wait…you already said that. haha. So I think we more or less understand each other here.

    15. @maou

      What activities would u think would be best?
      I’ve tried indoor rock climbing (so so) no much mingling. The problem here is Aussies are extremely cliquey. I’d guess fitness activities here.like CrossFit , F45 , Bootcamp and maybe fitness boxing places.

      I’ve tried Latin dancing, toastmasters and meetup groups of thing I’m into. The problem is those things are full of fuglie and nerdy chicks doing Ditto to mingle with guys.
      With Latin dancing it was randy old cougars and mid chicks also.
      I dunno.
      A friend of mine told me of a Gym he frequents where all the city strippers go to work out,

      Is suddenly had a renewed interest in joining a gym again. 😛 but tryna pickup @ gym.. not sure of anyone that does that tbh myself. IME chicks have their guard up at gym. Even tho they workout in tight Lycra with their asses in the air 🙄

      AFL Footie matches would be another one. But I hate AFL it’s a shit game to watch tbh.

    16. @Maou

      So for definitions –
      Direct = stating verbal interest off the bat with “ I like you/ think ur cute “ yeah?
      Indirect = anything else or waiting x minutes to reveal interest

      Would that be right?
      Wtf is ‘Neo – direct’ then? So many terms used over the years sheesh.

    17. Dancing seems like a top-tier choice for that purpose, but of course, as been said, it has to be a hobby you actually have an interest in. Does dancing interest you?

      Dancing and Yoga do interest me insofar as to their ability to improve Kinesthetic Awareness (and general fitness obviously…), and in extension…improves my ability to learn Martial arts/Fighting. (yes, if its not obvious already, I’m obsessed with fighting. lol) so I’ve got that.

      Unfortunately, my current weight definitely makes these choices unfeasible at the moment. I WILL stick out like a sore thumb if I dare to tread in those waters right now. but its something to keep in the back pocket.

      Badminton/Tennis where I am seems like a potential choice as well. One thing to note though is that you don’t necessarily have to LOVE the niche. You just have to like it. enough so that you do it on an at least somewhat regular basis to leverage it. Because dancing might improve Kinesthetic awareness, I can see it working that way for me, but I’ll only know for sure once I try it out.

      “Would that be right?”

      Here’s Alek’s old posts on “levels”:

      https://blog.aaronsleazy.com/index.php/2017/01/09/minmaxing-wont-work-in-dating-either/#comment-1463

      General overview of “the levels”:
      http://blog.aaronsleazy.com/index.php/2017/01/01/the-open-thread-january-2017/#comment-1192

      Jumping levels and moving faster with experience
      http://blog.aaronsleazy.com/index.php/2017/01/01/the-open-thread-january-2017/#comment-1193

      ______
      I don’t have a term, so I’ll just use a term I’ve seen in the community “sub-communication”. It’s not out in the open for everyone to listen in on, but you’re still communicating with her. You’re still communicating “level 7 interest”, but it’s like “a secret just between the two of us”.

      People standing next to you in the group can’t tell. In fact you can do this with multiple chicks in a venue and they will all be flattered… as opposed to when you hit on 10 chicks and you’re “that guy”
      ______

      Do you consider this “Direct” game? This is what Alek is talking about.

    18. @Maou

      Oh true. Yeah subtext/ subcomm is what I mainly do. So I’m ‘all about that life ‘as the chicks say. Their in lies my confusion. As I call it ‘indirect communication’ myself. All subtext, voice tonalities , hinting innuendo and bullshit cover stories to move things along.

      That’s what I’m doing in online dating.
      Direct Id considered saying “ hi, I like u” as an opener. So no warming or buttering the chick up at all. I reveal interest off handed lay and let the escalation do the talking mostly, until it gets hot then I tell the chick all about how cute/hot/sexy bitch she is before the fuck and during,

      I just don’t get the theory behind “ hi I like you” I thing it’s a terrible opener. Or any variant .
      I’d prefer something like Zan Perrions way “ your dazzling! Why are u not my girlfriend?” It’s both at the same time and a double whammy,
      His early stuff is very clever imo Zans. He can talk any chick out of a boyfriend objection, very clever how he does it,
      I prefer Over The Top OTT Flattery myself. Way-OTT smoozing / /sleazy approach if I’m doing that, as chicks know I’m bulkshitting and talk it better. If they are attracted that is.
      I really try and sell it with my BL and my eyes.
      Live at first sight stuff.

      That’s ‘sweetie game ‘ I’ve heard it called.
      But that guy Juan isn’t selling it . It’s way too flat and matter of fact the delivery.

      He’d be better going for “ OMG I am fucking IN LOVE with you!!” In an OTT and obviously insincere way. And try to blow the chick away with it, Chicks are funny that way how they response to that it cracks them up and gets them keen at the same time IME ( if the guy is acceptable looking)
      All different ways to approach it really.
      Sleazy comes across as ‘mr Intensity’ holding tension and keeping the vibe semi serious. That works well for his type . Tall D&H etc .
      I’ll bet his voice and accent help also in a big way for that. So it’s a package really , what method a guy uses to approach . Unique to each type of guy,

      Scotty is almost sweet in bits of his infield , cos his persona balances it out, he does a lot of flattery also with the chicks, and the hand holding. Etc Etc

      Zan would be Mr Romantic / adventurous/ Cad guy.
      The ‘pirate adventurer ‘or some shit,

      Brent would be Mr Banter and Sarcasm .

      Etc etc etc

      Something to keep in mind is that women actually *Love* bullshit from a guy they fancy,
      They know exactly what he’s doing , and can see through it but that’s not the point,
      They enjoy the process and the ride and the “what’s next “ and nonsense cover stories to seduce them somewhere,
      They reckon it’s romantic afaik & IME,

    19. @Maou

      Have a listen to this – an audio clip of my kind of approach just something basic with a chick in a supermarket with iOi’s. (Copy and paste into ur browser to listen)

      voca.ro/1oH5Owus5YZK

      Re activities
      Tennis May be good but I’d have to start from scratch (no skills). Hot yoga I did for 6 months. It was great for bird watching (those yoga outfits tho 🥵) but notsomuch for mingling. The chicks scram fast afterwards. Again it’s too passive waiting weeks for interest from a random. My mate pulled a hot chick that way tho. But he became an instructor-level guy. Took him ages of training and classes.

      Maybe I should try attending womens pole dancing / lap dancing classes for a laugh. I’ll just tell the chicks use me instead of the pole. I’ll be the crash test dummy for the lap dancing practice heh heh.. it could work!!

      Reminds me of this old funny tv beer advert of ‘the ballet class guy’ (this is gold 😂 ) ;

      youtu.be/yDBo8rhVMLI?si=vA27oI0Fwp0hXKZx

    1. I watched the first interaction (about first 40 seconds). The opener reminds me of Shark’s old “direct method” opener, “I like you, I’d like to get to know you.”

      Just shows again that game is mostly a myth – if she likes you she likes you, and as long as you don’t behave really strangely, she’ll be ok with whatever you say and do. If she doesn’t like you, a clever line isn’t magically going to change her mind.

      In other words, what Aaron’s been saying for the past… is it 15 years or so now? 🙂

    2. @Karl
      Never heard of Shark is he new?

      re the Game myth point.
      Consider this –

      This guy is running his own bit of ‘Game’ .
      He’s playing his angle of “mr different /mr romantic comedy/ mr cutsie guy”.

      He’s almost playing a Hugh Grant type character from a rom com.
      The octopus /email shit is really a gimmick to surprise the girls and stand out,

      Plus he’s running his routines over and over again.

      So what’s the difference re pretending to get her opinion on something? It’s still a gimmick either way ..

      I just don’t get this direct approach at all tbh,
      And this eagerness to state to the chick “ I LIKE YOU!!!” off the bat.
      That’s (a) unecessary, (b) clunky
      and (c) needy tbh.

      It’s pussy imo

    3. @Karl

      “Just shows again that game is mostly a myth – if she likes you she likes you, and as long as you don’t behave really strangely, *she’ll be ok with whatever you say and do. *If she doesn’t like you, a clever line isn’t magically going to change her mind.“

      Just shows again that a guy can collect contact details by stating intention ,showing a bit of a normal personality and bring congruent.

      *she’ll be ok with whatever you say and do”
      She’ll be ok to hand out contact details.

      But so what? Doesn’t mean he’s getting anywhere afterward ,jus the same as the pure Game guys.

      I wouldn’t want a chick to be “ok” I’d want a chick to be turned on and getting horny myself. (Just me tho).

      Those chicks are all dressed down mid chicks he’s approaching tbh.

      I would LOVE to see this type of guy try his direct “ I like you”, octopus and email bullshit with a real Hot chick. Like a proper sexy bitch in a tight dress.

      He’d malfunction I reckon. 😆 Different ball game that one. And Big Balls needed to play.

      He’s just not a sexy guy imo.

    4. When my sister met her current husband they exchanged e-mail addresses:) But that was in the late 90s when the Internet was relatively young. Maybe it was a fad back then. I don’t even use email at all anymore. I do everything by text.

    5. That’s the SDSU campus. I went there. There’s actually this funky little restaurant there that serves octopus. And a lot of girls in SD don’t dress hot. The first thing I noticed about SD when I moved here is it’s like “a big small town.” Some like the mentality, but then they wonder why we can’t win at professional sports and all the sports teams leave.

    6. @GL&S

      Oh true. Could imagine that re SD.
      Yeah .. I just think he’s being gimmicky and lacking balls myself. Email addresses in 2024… LOL 😆 🤦🏻‍♂️

      I wonder does he even like Octopus? and what he’d do if the chick was a seafood freak and took him up on the offer haha.

      And jusr the hassle and grind of turning an email into a phone number and then a date etc etc

      Just go for an Insta-date 🤷🏻‍♂️
      That’d be the ‘Alpha Way’ in my mind.

      He just needs to ‘grow a pair’ as they say where I am. That’s not even Direct Game to me.. he doesn’t get his dick out. Where’s his dick .. ? tucked between his legs like a pussy!

    7. I’m still LOLing at the thought of him tryna chat up a real hot chick, dressed in the sexy gear , a leather mini with her tits out and the lipstick on etc etc

      🚨 ERROR-ERROR! SYSTEM MALFUNCTION 🔥 🚨 😂

      Is there any decent infield out there atm where a ballsy guy is cracking onto HOT chicks and getting places? ( except for Scotty I mean)

      And that is legit and not staged w actressses

    8. Cheeky_James:

      Nah, Shark is very old school. I think he first became active in 2002, 2003, something like that.

      I’m not sure I’d call what the guy does game or an angle. It just seems like fairly normal day approach flirting to me, even if he does ham it up a bit for the camera.

      I only watched the first interaction where there were no routines. If he started using routines in the later conversations than I’d agree that’s lame.

      I don’t understand why you’d think it’s “unecessary,” “clunky,” or “needy” though?

      Re what you wrote about him trying it with a much hotter girl: Yeah, of course it won’t work the same if he goes for a girl way out of his league. But then again, “indirect game” or clever lines won’t work very well then either. Shoot out of your league and you’re likely to fail no matter what you do. That’s just a fact of reality.

    9. I remember back in 2005 the Chargers finished the season on a ten game winning streak. Pretty impressive and made them the favorite to win the Super Bowl.

      Local band POD made a song about them lol. And they threw a party at Qualcomm stadium FUCKING lol. I reminded them that you can’t celebrate until you win the big one. They claimed it was a “rally.” What is this, high school? Coming from OC and following the LA teams I know what it’s like to be a fan of winners. SD doesn’t have the winning mentality. They hate on winners. I remember a guy here saying that the Dodgers and Lakers moved to LA from other cities. Yes, exactly. Teams move OUT of SD.

      Needless to say they got eliminated in their first playoff game.

    10. @Karl
      Do I have any links to Sharks stuff? I wanna check out,

      Re”don’t understand why you’d think it’s “unecessary,” “clunky,” or “needy” though?”

      I will explain but firstly need a basis of why the proponents of that kinda game think it’s a good idea directly state interest off the bat verbally like that guy. Whats the theory of what it achieves??

      I need something to work with,

      “Re what you wrote about him trying it with a much hotter girl: Yeah, of course it won’t work the same if he goes for a girl way out of his league. But then again, “indirect game” or clever lines won’t work very well then either. Shoot out of your league and you’re likely to fail no matter what you do. That’s just a fact of reality.”

      I would just like to see if he even has the balls to try it. He’s kinda stuttering and apologising to the Mid chicks , here and there in those clips

      Well that is defeatism imo. That’s lacking balls and boldness and risk taking, never know for sure where a chick may be at ,so it’s worth having a crack imo,

      but if this guy even had a crack with that approach he’d fail 100% with a hotter chick,
      No hot chick would be interested in that kinda game,

      Indirect he’d have more of a chance as long as he had balls with it, and let the chick make her decision in a bit of time,

      I’ll explain why if someone can give me the theory of this direct / neo direct stuff, I kinda know what Aaron would say about it already ..

    11. I cbf waiting for a reply so I’ll just nutshell it (if I can) the reasons that approach is stupid.
      Specifically his line ( & Sharks)

      Saying “ I like you “ or any stupid variant of this phrase

      1. Dumb and pussy
      This is little-boy stuff. And ‘nice guy’ (pussy) bullshit,
      Any decent/looking fully grown woman with social savvy does NOT want to hear this.
      She will likely be thinking
      “ no shit Sherlock / awkward/ wtf is this?/ lame/ here we go 🙄/ u didn’t need to say it u dumb ass” / what now? / this isn’t a seduction/ this guy does not lay chicks like me “ etc etc
      off the bat .

      If she is dolled up and looking hot
      “ I made the effort and hours to look this good- and THIS Is all you got?” – not sexy. 👎

      This is likely what is running through those chicks heads in the interactions in the video.

      A seducer May state intent . A woman wants a grown ass MAN with a cock. Not a little boy pussy hiding it between his legs. She has a pussy. she doesn’t want another one. She wants a big throbbing hard penis.. with a sexy and smart Man attached to it . Get me?

      A seducer would make it personal. What he specifically likes about her.

      That line “I like You” would result in an immediate answer from any smart hot chick with “ and Why is that now?” And that guy is fucked.

      Any decent looking chick knows when any guy talks to her in any guise he is potentially trying to get in her knickers. It doesn’t ever need to be stated like that. Like Chris Rock says in his comedy sketch.

      You guys would say “ don’t got indirect- cos chicks aren’t dumb”
      I’d counter with “ don’t go little boy direct – cos chicks aren’t dumb” basically.

      As concise as I can put it.
      It’s just socially very very stupid.

      A seducer would comment specifically on something about her looks that turns him on.
      He’d ‘get his dick out’ straight away. And using his specific brand of charm. That’s what going direct really means.

    12. @ Karl

      “But then again, “indirect game” or clever lines won’t work very well then either. Shoot out of your league and you’re likely to fail no matter what you do. That’s just a fact of reality.“

      I can make Indirect and clever lines work fairly well. There’s an old adage “ it’s not what u say it’s the way u say it” – just don’t say stupid shit like “ I like you”.

      I remember experimenting similar on a pretty hot black chick on the street . I opened with “ I need directions “ then “ wow u are so my type” ( a better line imo) in a heartbeat the chick replied “ and why is that?” But I hadn’t thought through the response options. and came back with “ err because ur dark, like brown sugar “ or some such cheesy half thought thing.
      She went “pffft !” And walked off. Game over.

      A smart & canned script and something specific about her looks that I liked would have helped me way more. I may have got her talking and set up an Insta date (maybe).

      Just an example of what can go wrong with that.

      It’s just clunky really. And letting all the air out of the tyres of any kind of sexual tension that may build up naturally more importantly.

      A guy ought to be playing to win and chancing his arm with hotter women imo, I’ve got laid by a few that way.

      Cos a guy can never really know where a woman’s at / what she likes/ or what she’s thinking of lining him up for tbh. That shit ruins any chance of that happening imo.
      That’s my thesis.

      Tbh a smart player guy would probably talk about the weather , stand a bit too close and just be sexy with his body language and voice, There is no need to state anything much at all. Except wait for signals and read them correctly,

    13. I just fluff talk . The talk is just bullshit delivered in an intentful sexy way and a cover to get me standing long enough with the chick to read her eyes, face and body language to determine if she likes me, I do my little moves and send clear signals and watch if she does any back to me, it’s all signalling to me these days. I make my little moves and move my body. I watch hers . If she “opens up” /changes posture and signals back with her little flirt moves then it’s on. I Just move forward from there. It’s mostly negotiation and logistics from there and everything is said indirectly or in innuendo , that’s my game pretty much nowadays.

    15. I have been really busy the last few weeks, so watching random videos of cringe-worthy PUAs is not something I assign a high priority to. Also, you do not need to watch such videos to know that they are crappy.

    17. Cheeky_James:

      You seem like a nice enough guy, but I gotta say, your comments look like someone put them in a blender and turned it on without the lid on. 😉 Your remarks are spread out over a number of comments without any apparent (to me) organization.

      I’m afraid I don’t have the time or energy to read through all that and sort it into something solid I can reply to, but if you’re willing to rewrite stuff in a more normal manner I’d be happy to have this conversation with you. 🙂

      PS. Are you bipolar, or on some sort of uppers (speed, or ADHD medication, maybe) ? I’ve noticed this kind of writing among people like that before.

    18. @Karl

      Yes. Probably ADHD tbh,
      I’ve gotten this feedback before, I’m a shit writer and cannot condense ( is there a book to teach this? 🤷🏻‍♂️)
      I’ll just post audio clips on voicaroo if anyone is interested . It’s much easier for me. 5-7min clips, I’ll add some voice distortion

      Tbh I’m just looking for the theory from u guys on Why u reckon stating intent verbally off the bat ( “I like you/ your cute”) is a good idea . Can’t figure it .

    19. @Karl

      Here’s my way of doing a basic approach ( a recent example) on an audio clip and some thoughts on this Neo-Direct stuff. Defs wanna hear the Theory of how & why that’s supposed to work on a chick. This is an audio hosting website link. Just c+v into ur browser and it should play.
      I’ll delete it in a few days. Cheers CJ

      voca.ro/1nRf9krk9Gbv

  5. Anyone here know anything about foreskin restoration? I have a friend who did it and his happy with it. Am I the only one who absolutely hates being circumcised?

    Reply

    1. People have asked me about it in the past but I have never looked into it as I have no personal need. A lot of men seem to absolutely hate having been circumcises or perhaps they are simply more vocal about it, which makes sense because men who did not go through this procedure do not feel much of a need to talk about their foreskin.

    2. “Am I the only one who absolutely hates being circumcised?”

      Rest assured, its not just you. I wish to get Foreskin Restoration one day myself. I believe the doctors circumcised me in a way that doesn’t take as much foreskin away as a traditional circumcision, but I still want the full restoration of the foreskin and all of its nerve endings.

      I would have to successfully move away from my country however if I want to go through with that (if only to get the procedure, it surely won’t be popular here), as the whole reason we get circumcised in the first place is culture, religion and tradition after all. Man, we see cultures that circumcise women as outdated barbarism, yet the same is not true with boys. Another double standard I guess.. (People will argue hygiene, but its not as if you can’t clean your penis inside your foreskin)

      “which makes sense because men who did not go through this procedure do not feel much of a need to talk about their foreskin.”

      Same reason people don’t talk much about their hands, eyes or legs, etc. in their regular day to day. or anything else that we take for granted. If these things are taken away from us however, we more than notice their absence.

    3. You can’t really compare male and female circumcision. Women lose their clitoris. It would be comparable if your glans got chopped off.

    4. I’ve read about this. You can “restore” the foreskin to a certain extent either by stretching the skin, or transplanting skin from another part of the body (the second option obviously requires surgery).

      Just remember that it won’t be a “real” foreskin with all the nerve endings a foreskin normally has. However, it will shield the head of the penis, and so increase its sensitivity over the long term. And you’ll have the uncircumcised look – probably a detriment in America, but probably an advantage in Europe.

    6. @Karl

      There is actually an organization out there dedicating to finding a way to regenerate a full natural foreskin, with all the nerve endings.

      https://www.foregen.org/

      This was what I had in my mind writing all that. I’ve been aware that you can stretch the foreskin, but without the nerve endings as you’ve said, it isn’t worth the trouble in my opinion. I would only want this if I’m getting the full benefit of having the fully restored (with all the nerve endings and sensations) natural foreskin.

      I can’t speak for those who have had the full traditional circumcision however (maybe just the covering would be worth it for you guys), but this is how I feel for my case at least.

  6. Ok, so I reestablished my Netflix account and checked out the first 5 episodes of Cobra Kai season 6 (still confused why they split the season up to 2 release dates).

    Anyway, here’s my thoughts:

    *SPOILERS*

    I think it’s ok. As in not as good as the first three seasons, not as bad as the last two. One problem is that they picked up right where they left off. Problem with this is that their was too big of a gap in time between season 5 and season 6. I would have to rewatch season 5 to catch up. And I’m not doing that because season 5 sucked. This all goes back to the problem of too many characters.

    Another problem is the continuity. They’ve all visibly aged, but somehow no time has gone by. Daniel’s daughter got even fatter! His wife hit a second wall, and his son shot threw the roof.

    On the positive side, I like that they brought back asshole Barnes and that Johnny kicked his ass. Also that Johnny told Daniel that the alliance is off once the tournament is over (unfortunately they’ll probably kiss and make up).. And that Tory and Sam will be enemies again. I guess I’m cheering for Robbie and Tory to win. They may have foreshadowed this when they said they wanted to be standing at the podium together, just under different circumstances.

    So, we’ll see how things turn out in November.

    Reply

    1. Do you know what a “model release form” is? In any country with an at least rudimentary legal system there should be virtually no instances of women appearing in porn without their prior consent.

    2. There have been a few instances of films with bigger production values that were shady. Probably the most famous example is GirlsDoPorn, which I think ended with the creator in prison (you can google for more details).

      Generally speaking, though, the documentation requirements Aaron mentions are pretty effective safeguards against coercion.

      (I have no idea about Woodman in particular.)

    3. Of course it’s impossible that someone sells porn videos without the consent of the girl. My doubt was only about reluctant girls on the videos, who think are there just for normal “fashion” casting and then accept to do porn because are persuaded from Woodman. And also, many of them seems very involved, they scream a lot and seem to get pleasure.

    4. Have you ever picked up a woman of the girl-next-door variety, put your dick in her, and witnessed the transformation into a moaning, screaming whore?

    2. LOL. I did not expect to see women exposing fake tits and pretending to breastfeed on YouTube. In fact, I was under the impression that YouTube actively deletes accounts of thots. There was some slut that showed up in my feed who made videos of herself jerking off microphones, for instance. The OnlyFans whore Amouranth used to have a channel full of videos licking various objects, if I recall correctly. It seems she had to take these videos down. Yet, for some reason videos like the one above are A-okay. I would like to know how that algorithm works.

    4. Great find! It took me less than ten minutes to find a huge stash of her leaked OnlyFans videos and pictures, though. Google will not be of much help, but if you go to yandex.com and search for “princessisi leak”, you can fill your hard drive with her pictures and videos. She has been doing porn for years, but her implants seem to be quite recent.

    5. Apparently one of the benefits of breastfeeding is it helps her flick her hair every 3 seconds. And make doe-eyes at the camera.

      Man she is one of the most airhead looking chicks I have ever seen

    7. Holy shit, Yandex browser is amazing! I was easily able to find all kinds of thots whom I suspected had OF leaks, yet Firefox and Safari would simply never yield. Cheeky, use Yandex and I’m sure Belle is easily searchable. It’s funny because basically every influencer that shows up on youtube or snapchat is selling nudes just waiting to be leaked.

    8. The issue is not the browser but the default search engine. Safari and Firefox use Google, and in exchange Google pays them money. Yandex, on the other hand, is not a company Google wants to financially support so they are not even thinking of wanting to bribe them. Also, Yandex is a pretty serious company. Their search engine is good and unearths content, not just influencer porn, that is completely suppressed by Google.

      Speaking of Belle Delphine, that chick started doing porn a few years ago, based on what I have read in GTA Online. Her getting into porn coincided with her youthful looks fading. If you look for pictures of her via a non-pozzed search engine, you get a deluge of nude images as well as videos of her gobbling down cocks, bananas, and dildos.

  9. I’m in a pretty good sized US city right now, so I just tried ordering up an escort for the very first time—will report back with the results.

    Reply

    1. Alright lol so first off, the chick was pretty hot. Not a lick of English, so we had to use a translator. I’d say she looked about 90% of what her pictures represented, there was certainly a bit of photo shop being used or a filter of some sort. She had a very nice ass and a very pretty pussy. Her tits were pretty much perfectly perky, but she had some unsightly implant scars. Her nipples were about perfect, and the size of her tits weren’t ridiculous or anything. She was 24 years old, 5’9” (still very curvy and petite), maybe about 125-130 lbs. Latina obviously. Face was a bit above average. Full lips, symmetrical, positive canthal tilt, teeth okay, long straightened black hair blah blah blah.

      So, getting kind of nervous waiting around. She gets her by uber and I let her in the back (landlords have a Ring camera on the front door, so I disabled the wifi ahead of time and let her in the back to avoid any nosy neighbors prying—it’s dark outside). She’s wearing some slutty cheetah outfit. Anyway, communication turns out to be useless. I guess I should have looked at the reviews first, but she was “eros verified”, whatever that means.

      I transfer her the rest of the funds once she gets here and get her a glass of water, then head into the bedroom. She puts on some music and I start kissing her neck and feeling her body (I avoid kissing her mouth). She undresses slowly for me and starts to get me naked. Her body is pretty awesome. Certainly one of the best naked asses I’ve ever seen on a chick in person.

      You often hear complaints from Johns about how the encounter is artificial, and it certainly did feel that way on some level. I’m not going to lie, as attractive as the chick was I had a really hard time getting hard, and it’s never been a problem for me. I mean, obviously I was horny or I wouldn’t have called her up, and I hadn’t had anything to drink either, or any drugs. There were also a couple times where before things got started she was texting someone on her phone. Maybe another client or her safety contact, Idk. However, I don’t believe I got anything like a GFE. Not to say she wasn’t at all warm and into it, just that it felt very transactional.

      Anyway, she put a condom on my half erect dick and starts sucking it, but I just can’t get hard!! I’m also pretty nervous since this is my first time, like what if I get found out (just stupid intrusive thoughts ruining the vibe). My dick ends up going completely limp, so she suggests using some lube (which I have) for her to play with her amazing pussy while I watch and jack off. I finally get about 95% hard after a few minutes and she goes and gets another condom. As soon as it’s on and she gets into position I have already lost too much wood to stick it in. I apologize and she tells me it’s okay, and ends up getting me off eventually with a handjob while I use a magic wand on her clit (she at least pretends to cum after I bust, not sure if she actually did but those wands usually do wonders). Then, we get cleaned up and I see her out the way she came.

      First off, I would say the incels that have come and gone on here and complained about escorts not really cutting it have a point. Unless you have tried escorts, maybe don’t fully recommend them. There’s just nothing like a chick genuinely lusting after your dick. I would say the experience could probably be a lot better if there wasn’t a language barrier, and also if the chick was attracted to you and gave you the GFE. However, many of these chicks are probably dead inside to some extent, let’s be real.

      Secondly, I feel like I would maybe give it one more chance. It would definitely have to be a white English-speaking chick for me to want to try it again, though. Feels like a waste of money.

    2. I am not sure I understand the WiFi part. Did you disable the camera’s network connection? In that case, the landlord will probably figure out that something is going on.

      Regarding the “girlfriend experience”, while I have never paid for a whore feedback I am getting is that some delivery a pretty great performance, either because they really are into you or because they are great at pretending. However, I have also heard of experiences similar to the one you had.

    3. My one and only experience with an escort was pretty similar.

      She was young, had a 9 body and a 7 face, but it was all so clearly mechanical, even the fake moaning. I just couldn’t really get into it because of how artificial it was. I didn’t even cum.

      Fun fact: she had a book on her coffee table “Why Men Love Bitches,” so I thought maybe that had something to do with it.

      I figured it’s just one experience and I shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Like maybe there are some escorts who are real pros and make the experience feel much more organic.

      I recall reading a blog of this one escort who said escorting was her calling. She seems to have made every effort, but I think she is an exception. I’ve also read great reviews on escort review sites. But I don’t know if these guys just never had a girl really want fuck them, so they have nothing to compare with. IDK.

      So I agree with you on “Unless you have tried escorts, maybe don’t fully recommend them.” Maybe if you can afford it and do the math it seems to make sense on paper, but the reality may be different. Waste of money is exactly what it felt like.

      It seems like it might work better if you become a regular with a girl who really does it for you or you become a sugar daddy to a chick who at least likes you to some degree. Or just leverage the money to improve looks and build status and get laid that way.

      I think even fucking a decent looking 35-40 year old would be better if she worships your cock.

      I am still open to the idea of escorts working well, but I’d want to hear from someone who made it work well who is also an experienced guy who’s had lots of “free sex” where girls were genuinely into him.

      Finally, maybe some guys just don’t care if a chick is really into him. Like mechanical is totally fine for them, but I think these guys would be the exception.

    4. Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said. The funny thing is I actually got horny again a while after she left snd smacked it to some pron, just to make sure my dick wasn’t broken. Everything worked just fine. So, as far as the mechanical part goes, I think it’s complicated. Something just felt off with the pro, almost uncanny valley. It just didn’t do it for me, but I bet there are exceptions like you say.

    5. Sometimes there are regular chicks you could fuck but something feels off so you don’t. I tend to think that it was probably for the better. There were some shady chicks I could have banged and most certainly it was the right decision to not put my dick into them, no matter how much they wanted it. Once a chick was really into me who had ties to the Russian mafia. There were others who moved in questionable social circles.

    6. @PN

      Sounds like fun. How much was she and what currency?
      Unfortunate about the wood issue.
      I just turn off my brain these days it helps with that. I keep it like going to the dry cleaners to dump a load in the washing machine ya know?
      Gets easier to enjoy the experience over time imo. Get 2 next time way better experience. Makes me feel like a King with 2, there should be no issues then . And they co-ordinate a lot of the work between them also so less to think about.

      Also try pop half a blue pill and smash em raw for the whole hour ☺️

    7. Paid the average US rate for an escort, I think. If by blue pill you mean something like cialis then I don’t tolerate those well. I tried it one time and got a bad headache with neck aches, and eventually my molars started aching. On top of that, the chick I was fucking started her period after our second go at it, which made me not want to continue.

    8. @PN.
      Oh true.
      I pop a half a viagra or kamagra (Asian variety) sometimes. I definitely feel it as it kicks in. A hot flush in the face and a rapid heartbeat for 5-10 mins or so .. then all good. 💪 that’s why I pop a half. A full one is too noticeable when it kicks with the “rush”.

      That’s u fortunately Re the period. Sheeit.
      I pulled a chick from a club on a ONS once, I remember she shouted the house down during the fuck, next morning I woke up to the raw meat smell of a butchers shop .. and dried in bloodstains all over my bedsheets. Gross !

      It was like the Godfather scene with the horses head. 🤢

      Kamagra is sold on the street in Phuket .
      I made sure a few ladies walked home funny the next morning after popping a few of those before leaving the bar w them 💪 😂

    9. Cheeky, serious question: Did you rawdog a lot of pros without issue? The escort I saw was adamant about condoms which I would have insisted anyway. And I only really got a handjob anyway.

    10. Okay, so I’m giving the escort thing one more chance tonight. Found a sexy ass “Euro model” and from her pictures she certainly looks like it. Will report back soon.

    11. Okay, this chick was legit. 9/10, definitely the hottest chick I’ve ever been with. Spoke with a Swedish accent, blonde, about 5’ 6” or so, super tight fit body, big natural tits (about as perfect as natural tits can be), nice smooth perfect bubble butt. Chick was pricey, required more extensive verification process, didn’t have any references so I just had to explain that I’m on travel.

      I’m much more laid back this time and anticipating more so than nervous. Same process this time, disabled landlord’s wifi and see her through the back. Get her inside and I’m thinking “goddamn!” Her face is 9/10, she definitely could have modeled. I’m feeling much more comfortable because we can actually communicate. I get her a drink and we chat for the first 10 minutes, just getting comfortable. She asks if I want to do anything else with a smile (teeth are perfect, btw).

      Side note: I’ve been more conscious of HPV and herpes in sex workers, so I don’t really want to take any chances. The other STDs aren’t really worrisome and HIV is pretty much not an issue unless you’re fucking dudes. But HPV and herpes are easy enough to transmit, even if you wear a condom because the base of your shaft can come into contact with infected areas of the chick you’re banging. To be fair, I’ve rawdogged enough normal sluts enough times to where I’ve most certainly acquired HPV. But anyway, I’ve decided to attempt a certain strategy to avoid picking anything up from basically a petri dish.

      At this point we move to the dimly lit bedroom and I suggest a lap dance. She puts on some R&B type shit and starts stripping for me and eventually grinding her ass over my jeans. My cock is throbbing this chick is so hot. I’m feeling her amazing waistline and cupping her tits and ass, I could have probably busted from just her grinding me. Her pussy is perfectly groomed and has very sexy “innie” appearance.

      I stand up and undress before finally pulling my fully erect dick out. She compliments me after she glances over my manhood (probably checking for sores/warts). Before we proceed, I’m basically thinking I don’t want to risk having any genital to genital contact however minimal, so I suggest she edge me for about 20 mins with some sex lube. I also have the wand handy and some sanitary wipes, so I proceed to disinfect it in front of her (I had already done so extensively from before) and rinse it with hot soap and water (lost some mass doing this).

      She positions herself across from me with her legs resting on top of mine, this way I can vibrate her while she strokes me. I almost bust within the first minute or so, but she understands to back off when I tell her. She’s really getting into it and enjoying having her clit blasted by the wand as I flip back and forth between the three speed settings. On a few occasions she loses herself, her legs collapse inward as she thrusts back and forth onto the wand in moaning ecstasy. By the end of it I’ve been edged at least 5 times or more. My junk is at 110% mass, glans swollen, veins bulging.

      I tell her I’m ready and ask her to get the condom. She complies, slides it on for me, then I have her get into prone position. Her pussy is nice and lubricated from all the stimulation, cock slides in no problem. I’m careful to only stimulate my junk where it is covered with the condom, which is fine enough because I’m super turned on and primed. I grab her ass and spread her cheeks and notice she has her asshole bleached. Maybe like 10 more little pumps and I’m entering through the Pearly Gates.

      I rest with my junk inside her for a few second before withdrawing and heading into the bathroom to flush the evidence. Very carefully remove the rubber, notice it has like a quarter cup of splooge in it, flush it, and throughly was my hands. We put on sole underwear and cuddle in bed for a few minutes and talk before I see her out. She extends her cheek for a kiss before we depart.

      So, obviously this experience was way nicer than the first. However, this was quite a pricey nut. I still can’t totally recommend it unless you’re flush with cash and are okay parting with it. The thing is I would never have been able to fuck a chick this hot without paying, so consider going all out if you do. Luckily she wasn’t a bitch and seemed genuinely happy to fuck around for cash. When going for an escort, go for the hottest and cleanest-looking ones possible. Avoid ones with tattoos and excessive piercings etc., and try to find reviews if possible (I didn’t) otherwise hope that they’re decently well behaved.

    13. Glad you had a good time. Sounds encouraging!

      Next step is to get flush with cash. 🙂

      How much was it?

    16. Close to a gran… Damn!

      I’m glad it was a good experience!

      I am not sure if this question makes sense, but how would she compare to, for example, a 7/7 face/body fuck buddy who fucks like a champ?

    17. I mean, she didn’t have to do much except a handjob and then lay prone and take it for a minute. It’s not that sex was amazing, it’s just that she was REALLY HOT. That’s a whole different genre of fucking if you ask me. Her looks pretty much did all the work. There aren’t even girls that hot in porn generally. Most average to above average guys will never come even slightly close to smashing a chick this hot without the exception of cash and luck. There’s also the factor that I seriously doubt this chick would accept payment from a brotha (too risky), or an unkempt fellow.

      With the 7/10 fuckbuddy that is into you and fucks like a champ you can get away with a lot more obviously. That has its perks too. Hopefully she doesn’t end up nagging you with her feelings or some nonsense. But you can tie her down, threaten her with violence, actually violate her (f.e. choking), etc.

      Choose your pleasure, I guess.

    18. @PN
      She sounds worth da money!! 💰 👏 well done.
      A scorching chick from ur description just my type. Ie The super fit and trim blonde pocket rocket with great tits , great ass and cheerleader smile type! 😃 😛😼 👌
      Aka the porno star to me,
      The Jenna Jameson / Silvia Saint type I call those.
      #1 for me if I can get them IRL ( rare enough tbh) … btw any chance of a pic?? 📸

      Re the raw dogging. Nah I never would with a Pro . Ever, I meant “smash em raw” as in fuck the shit out of them until the pussy is raw. Make her sting and walk funny home afterward from the hard banging 😂 👍
      “Thrash -rash” I think the chicks call it.
      Pussy burn.

      I always try shower before and then after also deep clean / hard scrub shower with the soap.
      If I have no access to shower I whack hand sanitizer all over down there. No shit!

      Stings like a mofo! Or aftershave (!) anything that’ll kill any bugs off pronto.
      Then moisturiser after to cool down 😮‍💨

      Don’t want no nasties. Picked up too many in my 20s and they are a pain in the ass to get diagnosed and get rid of with meds n stuff .

      The most common one is low level “jock itch” like ‘athletes foot’ of the balls,crotch / ass crack . It annoying.

    19. @PN
      Yknow what? If I had the money I’d just fuck those types 2-3 per month. That’s it. Fuck dating and OD. Time is precious and time is money as they say. 🤷🏻‍♂️

      But I is a broke ass so.. gotta game them for low cost or freebies. Such is my life.

    21. I’d rather not post her pictures in case someone reverse engineers them and doxxes me. Yeah, I’d say they’re comparable, but I thought she had more of a “hot” face vs the innocent kind of look the chick you posted feature.

    22. @Pickernanny: I wanted to make a longer reply to this, but I have the feeling the thread is so bloated now that Aaron will make a new one any time now and noone will read, haha.

      Anyway, I’ll just say that your sentiment about pay-for-play is shared by me. Though my very limited experience was in a trashy brothel, with a trashy kind of woman (thankfully a buddy paid for it, not me).

    23. A new thread will come in a moment. I am having a lot on my plate these days. Otherwise, I would have started new threads earlier this week already.

    25. You could give Lucid Dreaming a shot, Cheeky. Might be up your alley. 😜

      I’ve fallen out of consistency with it (along with Meditation as well) though these days. I feel like ever since coming back home, I’ve…fallen out of discipline in general. I was able to get the gym habit to stick to some extent (I don’t go as consistently as I did back at my grandfather’s), and I think that is owing to the fact that I was given the environment to fully focus on developing that habit.

      Watch this video by Kiana Docherty, my experience living with my grandpa really proves to me what she’s been saying here. The underrated aspect of Environment when it comes to achieving success in this endeavor:

      Had I never been given that opportunity to stay at my grandpa for my weight loss endeavor, I probably would have never developed the habit and would have been just like the vast majority of people who ever give the gym/exercising a go…New Years Resolution dabblers who never achieve anything of worth.

      While I don’t desire to go back to my grandpa’s anymore, there is a chance I might be moving to my mom’s apartment (hopefully with my own room, but we’ll see) where the BJJ folks I’ve been training with have their organization HQ nearby. (and some weight training gyms. I really gotta keep up the weight training. It really sturdies the body up to make it more resilient against injury especially as you get older) I’m really hoping it works out.

      I don’t know if I can say my dilemma is mostly a mental thing/issue, but I definitely feel that I’m doomed to mediocrity staying here.

      Edit: Hope I’m not derailing the topic here. Just wanted to respond to Cheeky on his sentiment. Its a supplement though, I wouldn’t recommend lucid dreaming as your SOLE source of “naughty fun” (unless maybe you get super good at it to the point you do it almost everyday, lol), but as a supplement, it works pretty nicely for me personally. haha.

    26. @Pickernanny: no, but a few years later I visited Amsterdam and the Red Light District, and I should’ve tried something more that stroll through it… But I was with my sister, and I woul’ve had to ask her for the cash, so no. It couldn’t have been more embarrassing than my “YOLO” moment of tasting marihuana (for the first and only time) but still, not even the hardened Johns I see at my job would do it (ok, maybe a couple of the more degenerate ones).

      Anyway, I guess I could try it in a couple of higher-end brothels I’ve heard about, during my next dry spell (the current one is going on 6 months now, but it should end very soon). Not getting my hopes up about it, since I have problems keeping wood with condoms anyway (apart from the artificial aspect of it we’ve been talking about in the thread), and they’re mandatory with sex workers.

      @Cheeky: I have a habit of reading through new comments in the email notifications, and I’ve just noticed that yours (and only yours) don’t always appear. Maybe even the rudimentary AI’s used in blogs are starting to detect your writing as troll-like? As I’ve told you, the way you comment here would make everyone still think you’re a troll if Aaron wouldn’t have vouched for you.

    27. @Manuel
      Ok – what do I need to do?
      Keep it to say 5 lines? One post per day? No lols or emojis I suppose.
      I haven’t a clue tbh .(for real)
      My dating life is heating up now so I’ll give the spam posting a rest for a while. 👍

    28. @Cheeky: You don’t need to keep it to 5 lones. Look at Maou, he rambles on a lot, but in the end you get the feeling he had a point to make.

      @Maou: no hard feelings, hah. I actually think your posts have been getting more enjoyable to read lately.

    29. @Manuel.
      Ok that’s fair feedback .i like the blog and convos. Ill keep short and 2 points.

      I have a chick come straight to my house last night. My age (40s) sexy face, great rack in the bra w low cut top. She was bigger from the waist down than her pics for sure ,(catfished me) but the top half made up for it.

      5 mins of chat and straight to it,
      She gave my one of the best blowjobs I’ve had in a long long time. Pure cock worship stuff.
      Started hot on my couch then upstairs as I had a flatmate upstairs in her room. With the dirty talk and appreciation talk throughout.

      She wanted the lights off as it was 2 years since she got laid and was nervous. I did not care tbh. I could still see her smiling face and big tits in the half light.

      1 hour of good sex and she pulled out a lil vibrator while I fucked her to have a big O. It came towards the end when was blowing me again and tryna deepthroat me. She was dripping with sweat at that point . Real hungry for it.

      she left straight after to call her friend on way home and tell her she’d “ gone through with it”.

      She also said “ thank you “ about 5 times during. Told me it’s been near 2 yrs since she had sex. 😯

      So that’s equivalent to a free ‘hooker in-call ‘ for me with minimal effort and $0. ( ~3 hrs of sexting on Bumble over 2 weeks beforehand.)

      I’m happy enough with that kinda fun while I tune hotter chicks meantime. Got 1 very sexy and super fit FWBs ongoing anyway atm . And tuning 3 other slim and sexy ones OD may likely get more hot bangs. Just getting back in the saddle and used to casual fun once again.

      For me it’s removing my mental blocks and speed bumps after a long LTR. And getting rods of any ‘head- stuff’ to keep thing simple and straightforward wrt to casual fucking.

      Shit . I could not keep it short today 🤦🏻‍♂️ 🤷🏻‍♂️
      Hopefully there is a point in there .
      Maybe it’s “ beauty is only a light switch away” 😆

    30. @ Manuel
      Perhaps my point above is – I prefer a FREE v , grateful mid chick with a good face and tits who gives a killer sloppy blowjob and can talk real dirty throughout – over a hot hooker who is faking it , blows me with a condom on and charges me $600- $1000 to do so basically.

      Hookers I use to practice Dom sex with ( the “porn star experience” the hookers call it here)
      I can slap, choke and yank hair with them without any ‘head stuff’ going on. They are like crash test dummies for me to try new moves on without recourse.
      And for threesomes . Love a hooker 3-way they’re awesome , real porn stuff those when they co-ordinate between themselves. Super hot.

      I use hookers for paid ‘sex practice’ basically.
      And to ask them honest questions Re sex and women. I always pump them for information on the sex worker trade and womens sexuality in general. Great source of information for me.

      I even get them to give me feedback on my OD pics and OD chats with women. 😂

      Easier to get a hooker talking honestly about “chick-game” than a IRL chick. 😉 I’ve learnt a LOT about women this way . Gotta ‘know your enemy ‘ as they say 😃 hookers are the moles/double agents of the chick world.

    31. “I. am not sure I understand the WiFi part.”

      Are you familiar with the Ring cameras that mount to the front door? They use motion detection to sense when someone is nearby, then begin recording and uploading a feed to a cloud server or something like that. Basically, for it to work it needs wireless internet access, as it doesn’t store data internally. I figure if the landlord notices that it’s not working for like 1.5 hours suddenly, then as far as I know it’s because the internet was down at the time. There’s a super good chance she never noticed it was offline, however, as we’re talking well into the night when this occurred. So long as it was unable to upload any data during the time someone showed up on the front lawn walking towards the back, then it’s like it never happened.

      “Sometimes there are regular chicks you could fuck but something feels off so you don’t.”

      Yeah. I think in this case a lot of it had to do with being unable to communicate effectively also. If I could do it all over again, I’d turn her away immediately and just let her keep the deposit as soon as I realized she was texting using a translator.

      “This sounds like an infinitely better experience than the first one. Congratulations!”

      Thanks!

      “A grand is a lot. Was this for the entire night”

      Lol. No. Escorts in the US are stupid expensive. Just a few years ago it was usually around $500-600 for a really hot chick, I think. Now that gets you around mid or so. The chicks in the Nevada brothels (lega) look mostly unappealing and past their prime, btw. Also, many escorts in general look trashy and disgusting (again, in the US). It’s not something I’m going to be sinking much more money into.

    1. _______
      If you’re fat, date a fat girl.
      _____

      No. Frankly, if you’re a fat guy, are unable to lose the weight despite sincere efforts, and as a result; stuck with that dating demographic, I would argue, dare I say it (eUgEnIcS!), you have a duty to NOT pass down those genes (or if you don’t believe in that, then the duty to not create the environment that perpetuates obesity. fat parents tend to create fat children. More than a few of the patients in “My 600lb Life” have obese parents. they just didn’t get as bad as their child who became the star of the show.) that result in very easy fat accumulation.

      Why I would I want to doom my potential children, especially daughters (I agree with you Aaron when you say that there’s no point in monogamous relationships if you don’t plan to ever have children. So this is the only reason to do so.) to a life of obesity, just because bluepill society wants to shame me to “settle down on my level” (which thankfully isn’t the case I’m stuck with, but that’s another topic) and pass down our shortcomings? Because society needs more cannon fodder and 9-5 worker drones? After all, as far as society is concerned, non-chads are NPC’s and we need NPC’s slaving their asses off in the cogs to keep society running. Well, pardon me if I don’t care for that system and don’t wish to contribute to it nor do I want my potential children to be treated like NPC’s.

      The whole comment where I grabbed that piece from seems like a sneaky way to promote women’s dual mating strategy. If they fail to get their dream prince or Chad, they at least have the people “on their level” waiting in the wings for them.

      That reddit thread in general is Hamsterville.

    2. @ Maou
      That’s the way Mate. Don’t give up and settle.
      I know a fat couple here . They have a kid and she piled on the kilos and he’s a top engineer and is also massive now.
      They don’t have sex for years cos the woman don’t want to, she hates her bigger self too much. She said jokingly to defend her position of not interested with “fat ppl having sex?? No one wants to see that!.”

      I got catfished last week by a chick on an OD fuck app. She booked a hotel for our fun and I drove an hour down the city to get there late at night. She was a fair bit bigger than the pics and had a sizeable spare tyre waist. I was tired and it was a nice hotel room so … I turned the lights down low and tried not to look too much (lol) just played the porno highlight reel in my head . (Thanks Hazel Moore and Taylor Whyte 😆)

      Thing was , her spare type was preventing me from thrusting and I just wasn’t big enough to get that far in , it was a real effort to fuck her . I tried a couple ways but either her tyre or fat ass was too much ‘cushion for the pushin’ ya know?

      So I ended up having to scissor position her with her fat legs over my hips. That’s the only position I could get fully in and go to work. Then I finished her off with my hand in her fat pussy (Yuk). 🤷🏻‍♂️

      So that’s another obvious reason not to settle. The sex is quite difficult ! And I’m a slim guy. Can’t imagine if I had a big beer belly how I’d get in there at all. Unless I had a 10 “ pornstar cock tbh.

      She gave me a “validation” (review ) on this fuck app so that’s pretty much why I went through with it. I may get better pussy going forward. She looks sexy in her app pics so they other chicks won’t know what really happened.

      Gotta do what needs to be done sometimes ! 🤷🏻‍♂️

      Weirdest thing of all was she behaved v inexperienced thoughout. Like a dead fish. No sexy talk ,no moves . Nothing . Not even a decent blowjob. Weird .

  12. Things I am currently working to improve in my ‘Game’ ;

    Preface:
    Getting heaps of ‘cute dates’ from OD now.
    And a few bangs. Plus 1 hot older Woman as a regular FB/FwB now. (Happy days)

    Areas of improvement;
    – deep longer eye contact on dates to create and maintain sexual tension throughout

    – eye contact when telling stories

    – stop letting tension dissipate with little “fills in” / fluff talk / lil jokes to remove it here and there. Also leaving awkward silences hang and just maintaining EC and ST.

    – stop laughing at my own jokes (!) 🤦🏻‍♂️

    – stop over-connecting w chicks and being too much of a sweetie on dates 🤦🏻‍♂️

    – trying to moving more into the FuckBuddy category with above improvements and less tangled up in the FWB category.

    – being more transparent w chicks and telling them I’m on other dates thru the week.
    Rather than being economical w the truth or Bs’ing I’m doing other things. ( gets too complicated to remember the stories )

    – cultivating a deeper , richer and slower masculine voice esp when moving into Arousal and Seduction stage.

    – network and talk to some actual IRL “Dom” dudes , gather info and tips from them on cultivating this more into my personality. And how it works with these Sub chicks they fuck.
    Wondering How did they get into it in the first place.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    – being more ‘Dom-like’ with chicks in bed and getting hotter wilder sex with them.

    – being more mindful during sex and enjoying it more rather than ‘performing’ , focusing on getting chicks off and half the time playing porno highlight reels in my head during the act,
    (This is a repeating issue for me)

    That’s all my “to improve “ list, long list 😮‍💨

    Thoughts / opinions / advice on any of above from u fellas ?

    How do u think these legit “Dom” guys became Doms btw ? Very interested in this.

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    1. What a whale! Well, these people enjoyed a decade getting fat. Good advice for small businesses and solo entrepreneurs is to save up money in times of plenty so that you can make it through difficult times. Yet, these people somehow thought their gravy train would never end.

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