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I used to watch King of the Hill back when it first aired (with the dubbing-related delay), but rarely caught several back-to-back episodes, much less a full season, until now. For those who haven’t seen it, think of it as a much more realistic and conservative The Simpsons (the protagonist is a staunch Texan and Republican for example), but that’s a gross oversimplification.
Anyway, I arrived to this episode when the Hill kid has recently broken up with his middle school sweetheart, initially taking it very well, but succumbing to needyness after talking too much with the “loser” friend of his dad and freaking out on the possibility of having let go of his one true love and being forever alone. To bounce him back to his feet, his dad sends him with this other womanizing friend and this is him trying to teach the boy a lesson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7FVmeJXwCY
It amazed me how realistic the advice is. Just playing the numbers’ game, yet he’s also depicted as good looking, what with the Chad jaw you can notice here (and despite the belly, which is mostly the drawing style for most male adults in the show; he’s comparatively in shape among his peers. The unintelligible accent is the character’s gimmick). This aired in 2002 and was more accurate than what Neil Strauss or Mystery were peddling around the same time.
today if you talk to women in a clothing store as a non-chad there is a distinct possibility you will get a sexual harassment charge 🙂
Yeah, today we know (as if it wasn’t obvious before, but there’s a reason PUA scammers thrived) that stone cold approach is hardly worth it, and the example of KofH is ice cold as it gets. But even if you become very good at warm approaching, it’s still a numbers’ game so the advice is sound.
Too bad the guys in the Youtube comments are still missing the “looks” part of the equation, and that the “loser” friend I mentioned, fat, balding and needy as he is, wouldn’t get a 100th of the results his Chad friend does.
I wanted to comment on one of the things Aaron posted in the last open thread. About the Nazis rise to power: “You had a lot of young men willing to rise up and fight back then.”
The 1930s fascinates me because of what a political hot bead the Western world was back then. People gave a fuck. Considering the lack of education and technology that is impressive. today we get fucked in the ass and take it. We have access to information light years ahead of previous generations, yet the people are complacent and apathetic.
My take is that the diluted cultures/populations through immigration and feminism makes it hardly impossible for a cohesive movement to arise. I would say that the USA has been in political stagnation for over half a century. Literally nothing socially improves here.
we have computer games and porn now. most men are happy with that plus sex once a month with their fat girlfriend. Men are just more domesticated today than they were in the 1930s.
Personally I have to say, as long as I am free to do what I want, fuck some prostitutes, I don’t really see me starting a revolution either.
oh and don’t forget the lower testosterone levels.
So in sum:
a) much more entertainment available than in 1930
b) lower testosterone levels
c) lot of men raised by single mothers
d) brainwashing men with feminist ideology in the universities
you end up with a population not interested in taking any risks / changing the system.
maybe that is the plan of the elites.
Only when things get worse and the wellfare state collapses, will things change, in my opinion.
Yeah, I also have to add that WWI and the worldwide depression had a lot to do with it. Still, considering the advancements that the people were trying to make back then puts our “educated” populations to shame. I mean, quick results vs no results? I’m sure it was hard living back then, but it must be exciting to live a population that’s alive.
And yes, I’m sure the elites orchestrated this.
“Personally I have to say, as long as I am free to do what I want, fuck some prostitutes, I don’t really see me starting a revolution either.”
Same here. Who would I be fighting for anyhow? Certainly not for “our” women, but also not for my “fellow” men. For a gynocentric, misandric society that consists of 80%+ ethno-masochistic npcs with ever growing socialist tendencies that think guys like me should be ostracized or worse for the crime of not being an auto-aggressive cretin?
Like I said, it’s an elite orchestrated diluted culture. None of this is natural.
There is nothing orchestrated. Even if you are the poorest of the poor in the west today you still have a 10 times better life than people 100 years ago. That’s the problem, too comfortable to change your situation
Oh, our society is ruled by social engineers. You may not agree with the statement that societal outcomes have been “orchestrated” as that might imply fine-grained control. That probably goes a bit too far. However, fundamental social changes like an exuberant welfare state and all its negative consequences didn’t just appear out of nowhere. The original intentions may even have been good, but that doesn’t change the fact that it has been a disaster for the West to nourish a wholly unproductive part of society.
Yeah, orchestrated may have been too strong of a word. But this shit ain’t a big happy accident. None of this is natural or organic.
*Unless Westerners have a unique, specific penchant for the enjoyment of suicide.
No fault divorce and alimony are clearly examples of social engineering that incentivizes the destruction of families and the alienation of the sexes from each other.
@ Herkerder
Excellent example. Most of it is difficult to objectively prove. But that is a clear cut objective example. I think I’ll start another post about how Jewish social movements took over many American university system departments.
Has anyone of you read “The way of men” from Jack Donovan?
What do you think about this model of masculinity?
I’ve heard of it but haven’t read it. One reason is that I have my doubts regarding the validity of a homosexual man preaching about masculinity. He’s a genetic dead end whereas every childless heterosexual man has the potential to not be one.
I also had your concerns Aaron, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt as you should not evaluate his arguments based on his homosexuality.
(actually some of the arguments he made in the book came across quite “homophobic” … to use the PC term LOL)
So I just finished the book and it was quite a good read in my opinion. Better than most other books I have read on the topic.
He defined masculinity in an amoral way, with the 4 core attributes of
– strength
– courage
– mastery
– honor
His justification for this was that in a tribe of primitive hunter gatherers, these would be the most benefical to survival.
It can certainly be that his homosexuality could play a role in him overvaluing the admiration of other man.
But I also think inter-male status competition (what he defines as “honor”) is a quite natural behavior, so I agreed with his analysis here.
So overall I can recommend the book
I’m about halfway through the “Virgin Territory” pdf from the last thread. It’s a sad and interesting tale, and yet somehow I feel that this guy’s experiences are more common that I once believed, especially when you factor in the rise of multi-millionaire e-thots like Belle Delphine. I saw a post on 4chan which appears to confirm to my suspicions:
“ I’ve spent a lot of time in twitch during the lockdown and it is fascinating on a level.
People will pay money to simply be acknowledged by a passably attractive woman.”
Training your jaw muscles whilst taking a shower? Whoa! Keep it easy, fella!
https://youtu.be/NNCvVv_OfXk?t=127
I was told if you become higher than a ten you gonna start all over on the other side of the looks scale.
Kidding aside: has anyone here trained his jaw muscles successfully and managed to look a bit more chiseled this way? If so, how did you do it?
And whilst we’re at it: was is your take on so called “Mewing”? I could imagine it having some effect, but I think it is pretty overhyped overall.
I looked into this briefly out of curiosity after FaceAndLMS had brought it up. From what I gather, a doctor called Mew developed a technique to improve the shape of the maxilla of kids. I’m not sure how applicable this is to adults. I’d be curious to see a proper study on this because all I could find were anecdotes, often without any proof, provided by people who appeared to be rather shady. Of course some snake-oil salesman who has an expensive product to sell will tell you how great it is. Also, if “mewing” worked on the maxilla, then why don’t similar techniques work on other bones? Oh wait, there are scammers selling products on how to grow taller even as an adult.
„I looked into this briefly out of curiosity after FaceAndLMS had brought it up.“ I also vaguely remember some Singaporean(?) YouTuber bringing it up and singing it praises. I cannot find him anymore unfortunately.
“I’d be curious to see a proper study on this because all I could find were anecdotes, often without any proof, provided by people who appeared to be rather shady.” That has been my impression as well so far.
“Also, if “mewing” worked on the maxilla, then why don’t similar techniques work on other bones?” Exactly!
Guess I gonna have to take a shower finally after all, lol!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQAwue5DJdk
This video shows typical features of male female relationship in Mainland China. As you guys can see, they are much more traditional and conservative than Western hypersexual culture. That’s why the integrity of the Chinese society will remain intact.
On the subject of what I have posted, did women build the computer and programming field and then get kicked out of it by “sexism” and are reclaiming the field again? Or this white women virtue signaling and pontification?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/19/women-built-tech-industry-then-they-were-pushed-out/
Just the introduction of that article made me laugh: “Emma Goldberg was a Fox International Fellow at the University of Cambridge Centre for Gender Studies and currently works for the think tank Longpath Labs.” We’d be a lot better off as a society if we insisted that people engage in productive work as opposed to dreaming up bullshit.
What are some good places to meet quality beautiful women who I have somethings in common with?
I think charity events are a good place. You get to do good in the process as well. All the women I’ve met so far was from college but I have left college now.
I find it hard to pickup in clubs and bars as everyone is there with their significant other in my country due to strict enforcement of sex ratios. I do make friends easily and I feel confident in finding a girl(s) if I am given the chance to speak to them often.
Hopefully, you guys have some ideas with which I can meet a large number of women numbers game wise.
By “charity events” I suppose you mean fundraisers. You wouldn’t ask this question if you belonged to the class of people who get invited to such events, so you may want to start living in the real world instead of engaging in stupid fantasies of what your life could be like in an alternate universe.
Also, why would you be confident in your ability to get laid if you don’t get laid yet? This doesn’t make any sense.
Nah I think he means charity events where commoners come to help the poors. We bring food, soda, abandoned cloth and the likes. I and my mother went to such events a couple of times. It is like Good-Will in the open.
This doesn’t happen anywhere in the West. Here, our poor get welfare benefits out the wazoo and if you brought them used clothes, they’d likely consider it an offense.
Good point.
What are some good places then?
Dude, you have a hard enough time making a coherent point. I’d say you have much bigger issues to worry about than getting your Indian pecker wet. How about you start by making a post in which you concisely state your issue? Right now, you’re just wasting our time.
@Cuong Quoc Vu;
Yeah I meant that.
I don’t know Sampath, I am still a virgin. I have many more things to worry about now than girls.
Are you in the States, your name strikes me as Indian.
@Sleazy
You mean in Europe? Otherwise, I am puzzled by your response. We have lots of charity organizations that organize events to help the poors. You can register to join. Like in Philly it is Sunday Breakfast Morning Missions.
I was thinking of both Europe and the United States. In the U.S. there is plenty of welfare to be had as well. I looked up the organization you mentioned. They focus on the homeless, it seems, which isn’t that much of a problem in Europe. I was thinking more of our local welfare aristocracy.
Aaron,
I think you’re being unnecessarily harsh here. He might have worded things incorrectly, but his question is clear. You made some pretty far-fetched assumptions. There are a plethora of one-off volunteering events and groups in the US focused on the betterment of the country’s lower class. These all offer open enrollment to the public, but some of the more selective ones require an initial interview, similar to jobs.
Sampath,
I would not focus on women at all. Just do some activities that you genuinely enjoy, and meet women as a consequence (or don’t). You will come off more sincere that way. Once you start pushing yourself to get better at your chosen group activity and accept more responsibility there, things will naturally work out (as long as you’re not ugly, antisocial, or weird). Saying you want to meet “quality beautiful women whom I have things in common with” does sound very arrogant though. You’d be very lucky to meet even one in your lifetime that fits those criteria.
This isn’t the first time he’s commented on here. It’s an exercise in frustration to talk to him. Feel free to call me a cynic, but I just can’t picture young women show up to low-key events about feeding the homeless. What makes those events “selective”, by the way? Surely, you’d assume that if they really wanted to help as opposed to providing a photo-op for well-fed middle-class children, there would be no need to turn away volunteers.
There are those gala fundraiser events that may happen eg art galleries, museums, disease fighting orgs (eg funds to raise for cancer research). Usually the ticket price ranges from 75 USD to 500 USD. But at that rate m be you’re better off doing Club Game…
If you’re in a somewhat big city (at least 1M People) and there are museums / art galleries, sometimes they turn the venue into a night spot (eg “night at the museum” and cover charge of 10 to 20 USD.).
The above is from a North American perspective… You’ll have to search these in your local postings.
At that rate, you’re better off just banging hookers because he’ll also have to wine and dine those women who may very well have certain expectations. Imagine spending $1000 in total (tickets + dinner dates) only to end up where you started, i.e. jerking off to porn. It’s complete lunacy.
I would also add that charity events and galas may be a dead end depending on how covid 19 restrictions play out.
Maybe @AaronSleazy will have a Corona-chan Game. Eg how to use your eyes to game when your medical mask covers most of your mouth. (OK totally joking here…but there may be PUA out there selling pandemic game.)
Someone posted a link to some PUA who was indeed selling a course on “Covid Game”.
“I was thinking more of our local welfare aristocracy.”
You make me curious of the welfare system in Europe, particularly in Sweden and Germany, since you stay there.
I have been here in the US for 6 years and my feeling is people living off welfare don’t enjoy high quality lives. They are restricted to what kind of food they buy, and can only buy with an EBT card.
In many parts of Europe, there is the problem that people who don’t have good job prospects enjoy a higher quality of life, even ignoring all the free time they have, than those in a comparable situation than them but who chose to pursue menial labor.
That is fucked up. When are you going to move to Singapore with your wife? Is it hard to obtain a Singaporean citizenship.
I’ve been lining up my ducks. You can rest assured that I’ll let my readers know. I’m not aiming for SG citizenship as this would mean that I’d have to give up the citizenships I hold.
Believe it or not, holding a EBT card can be a source of shame for people.
That may be the case, but given how large the underclass is I’d say it’s safe to assume that a significant number of them aren’t burdened by such feelings.
“I’ve been lining up my ducks. You can rest assured that I’ll let my readers know. I’m not aiming for SG citizenship as this would mean that I’d have to give up the citizenships I hold.”
Words are cheap, but I am happy that you can go to Singapore.
They don’t let you hold multiple citizenships?
“That may be the case, but given how large the underclass is I’d say it’s safe to assume that a significant number of them aren’t burdened by such feelings.”
East Asian immigrants are usually shameful of that and want to become more wealthy to be seen better in the eyes of natives.
Given that family values are of utmost important to us, we always hope our children will do better than us.
I don’t know about other races though.
Other races seem to have a different value system.
I thought Vietnamese were South East Asian, not East Asian? I know for a fact that East Asians don’t like being lumped together or linked to South East Asian people or “Jungle Asians” like Vietnamese people from my experiences and conversations with them. But regardless, usually immigrants and the select ones even from Africa in places like America carry that attitude.
“I thought Vietnamese were South East Asian, not East Asian? I know for a fact that East Asians don’t like being lumped together or linked to South East Asian people”
Vietnam is indeed Southeast Asian geographically wise. But it is the only country that belongs to the Sino sphere of influence. This is because Vietnam used to belong to China for roughly 1000 years.
I was at a local discount grocery store a few years ago in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood and saw a man with three wives at hand (some of whom clearly looked underage) buy groceries for his family, and he paid with EBT. I’m guessing all but, at most, one of his wives are “single mothers,” so they each get their own EBT card and a couple hundred dollars a month in food stamps. Don’t think the guy felt any shame.
Yes, but that was only parts of Northern Vietnam no? I know for a fact that North-East Asians do not consider Vietnamese as one of them and Vietnamese do not consider themselves the same as Chinese or North-East Asians from conversing with them in real life. Being part of another entities sphere of influence does not infact mean they practice the same cultural outlook and modes of behavior, just look at Muslim Africa and Europe as an example.
And what you said is general and vague and actually applies to a while variety of ethnic groups and “races” of immigrant background going to places like America and trying to make a living or make it big, Nigerian-Americans are a great example and seem to do great to decent academically because of that “outlook” you described.
“Yes, but that was only parts of Northern Vietnam no?”
The Central used to be the kingdom of Champa. In the XV century, threNorthern Kingdom called Dai Viet (Great Viet, or An Nam as it is known in China) expanded to the South, sacked Vijaya, Champa’s capital. This marked the constant southern expansion of the Northern Kingdom.
Cuu Long river delta was and still is very fertile, more rhan the Hong river basin, but it was unexplored until the XVII century.
In general, when the whole country was unified in the beginning of XIX century, it was thoroughly sinicized.
“North-East Asians do not consider Vietnamese as one of them and Vietnamese do not consider themselves the same as Chinese or North-East Asians from conversing with them in real life. Being part of another entities sphere of influence does not infact mean they practice the same cultural outlook and modes of behavior, just look at Muslim Africa and Europe as an example.”
This is a very complex topic since Ethnic History is, in my opinion, the most difficult field in History. That being said, the view that you wrote is a more recent phenomenon due to the rise of Nationalism. Before the adoption of Latin alphabet, Vietnamese literati used mainly Chinese characters, adopted Chinese worldview, enjoyed Chinese literature classics. But they also developed their own identity. Thus China, Korea, Japan and Vietnam are called cultures share a character. This means the sacred word of Confucius shape the worldview and cultural outlook of these countries.
Ron Jeremy has been metooed:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ron-jeremy-pleads-not-guilty-rape-sexual-assault-charges-202337092.html
It says in the article that his previous bail has been set at over $6 million, and that the charges date back to 2014. I find that timeline sort if odd because as far as I know, Jeremy hasn’t been able to get hard from high blood pressure issues for some time. One of the accusers is in their 40’s now. Smh.
Do you guys have a favorite “anti-hero” in stories, film etc? To me they are the most intriguing characters.
It’s difficult to create any kind of ranking as we’re dealing with different artistic creations. The character that came to mind immediately, though, is Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver. I also liked John Rambo in First Blood, which is arguably the best movie in that series.
I can’t believe I’ve never seen Taxi Driver. Especially because Scorsese is by far my favorite director.
Also crazy how it had connection to the Reagan assassination attempt.
I like Taxi Driver. It has some historical values. You are able to see New York in 1970s.
Falling Down with Michael Douglas.
Excellent choice! I’d give William “D-Fens” Foster the nod over Travis Bickle. I wanted to write a review of Falling Down after it had come up in one of the Open Threads but I just didn’t have the time. I think it’s a much more relevant movie than Taxi Driver.
@ SMH
Damn! Good choice!
Light Yagami from Death Note. He tried to create a utopia by cleansing the world of all criminals. He sought to be the king of this new world, or rather, God.
I haven’t watched/read Death Note yet but it seems highly praised. Would you recommend the manga or the anime?
So, I’ll add mine. My initial choice was Rhett Butler from Gone With the Wind. And also Wolverine. But beating Falling Down is a tough task.
I’m amazed Hollywood would even make a movie like that. Then again, they may not have wanted the audience to warm to Michael Douglas’s character. That was the case with Archie Bunker as well initially.
@ Aaron
I have not read the manga. The only manga I’ve caught up on is Vinland Saga and I would certainly recommend both the manga and anime. It’s been about 10 years since I watched Death Note, but I remember really enjoying it. My younger brother was just recently messaging me about how much he enjoyed his recent binge through of it. If the first few episodes don’t grab you, then you’ll know to pass on it because it has quite a steady pace for the most part after the initial excitement is instilled, if I remember correctly. Things certainly do heat up again here and there, though. I would definitely pass on the American attempt at the movie. I literally watched less than 5 minutes and quickly determined that the American version of Light was a cuck.
I think it would be a big mistake to treat Covid -19 as a hoax, especially because my government did so and things are looking pretty bad here. Then again, Aaron and other “1st World” dwellers may lack the perspective from the 3rd World and the effects even seasonal epidemics can have on it. Boomer remover or not, it’s not looking like a mild flu at all, though I admit my father being a diabetic boomer age-wise (I don’t like to apply anglosaxon generations to other cultures) may automatically make me exceedingly cautious.
Mind you, I agree the total shutdown of several country economies was likely an overreaction. As always, the best measure was probably somewhere in the middle. Everyone going about their business but with a germaphobe mindset could have worked. There’s no way around with elementary school kids though, they should stay at home.