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Open Thread 2019 (#13)

Aaron "Sleazy" Elias

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  2. https://abload.de/img/araberq2jdo.png

    You know what I find odd? Why is it always an arab man with a caucasian woman? Whenever they show male-female pairings in television, media, fashion catalogues, adverts, health magazines etc. …, it’s always an arab / muslim man with a caucasian white woman! Why don’t they show the opposite case: white caucasian man with an arab / asian woman?

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    1. Aren’t Muslim men even encouraged to have sex with white women? In contrast, if a Muslim woman decided she’d like to have a dalliance with a white guy, she is seen as violating her family’s honor, which seems to invariably entail certain well-known consequences.

    3. I’m not only talking about our “woke” Western propaganda that urges white women to have sex with dark-skinned men. On top, I recall coming across videos of Muslim hate preachers telling their followers that they should take the women of the infidels.

    4. @Sleazy
      >>which seems to invariably entail certain well-known consequences.<<

      you mean knife surgery by doctors from the middle-east?

    5. @Sleazy
      >>I’m not only talking about our “woke” Western propaganda that urges white women to have sex with dark-skinned men. On top, I recall coming across videos of Muslim hate preachers telling their followers that they should take the women of the infidels.<<

      Ah yes, that's how it has been throughout human history. Kill of the men & the old women, take the young women and girls. And that's exactly how arab men think: have sex with lots of filthy western whores (and knife them afterwards), but marry a decent clean arab woman.

    1. This angle is covered in my list of topics on a potential future series of posts on the decline of Germany. I have some other fish to fry first, though.

  6. Can I get clarification on the importance of « not thinking » during meditation and life?

    I just want to make sure I’m understanding correctly. Obviously, if one never thought anything, they’d be inhuman and stupid. However, oftentimes our thoughts are disconnected and irrelevant to the task at hand, which is when this ability is to be used.

    For example, when learning a song, I may be using my mind to think « what’s the next chord? » and « what are the lyrics to the next verse ». However, it IS possible to get to a point of comfort with a song where I find that simply letting go and just playing without thinking about the song allows for the optimal performance.

    Am I on the right track?

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    1. I think you just have to practice your instrument hard and know your piece really well. With confidence that’s grounded in preparation, only then you can trust that you can let go and still nail it. But it’s hard to be at ease if you know you could plausibly make a mistake.

    2. You are confusing a few things here. First, through meditation you practice controlling your mind. This transfers into your daily life as you will gradually get rid of intrusive thoughts, not of all thoughts. Second, as you master a skill, you need to less and less think actively about it. This phenomenon was even found in a study on chess grandmasters who intuitively knew why certain moves were good or bad, just based on having played many thousands of games.

    3. Ahhh I think I understand. So in the music example, the internal dialogue would be an example of controlled thought as opposed to intrusive thought.

  7. The Guardian want us to know that you have a problem if you’re uncomfortable with your wife or girlfriend getting banged by other dudes:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/20/monogamous-man-in-a-three-way-relationship

    “Soon afterwards, my partner and I decided to live together, and her lover began to visit our place once or twice a week. The challenge, for me, was to recognise that the chemistry she had with him was no threat to her love for me. I could not ask her to forgo such enjoyment (he is 20 years younger than me, 15 years younger than her, so there is a huge difference in the pleasure she gets from each of us). I recognised that the problem was mine, not hers.”

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    1. Too bad that eventually no one will be able to purchase a ticket due to the social credit system. I wonder how that is going to end?

    2. The social credit system is intended to limit the damage trouble makers can cause. From what I have read, I see little motivation to keep large parts of society from traveling.

    4. I like the idea. In the West, we have been establishing a system of anarcho-tyranny where laws are mainly only enforced against the indigenous population. In contrast, I find a system that objectively scores you and limits your range of motion, in extreme cases, quite laudable. Also, the Chinese social credit score system is not nearly as arbitrary as it may seem, if you dig deeper into it. Instead, it is an attempt by the CPC to run a country with well over one billion people.

  9. Stop talking to girls I never date is the best thing I’ve ever done.

    Also, i hate the fact

    The fact that I’m not in the best shape makes people treat me differently, including who I consider close friends, mostly women. i’m starting to change that

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    2. I don’t think that’s the main issue. Just like it states, there are a lot more women graduating college now and having professional jobs then 30 years ago. If you’re a woman with an advanced degree in her 20’s – are you going to look to marry a local construction worker?

  11. They will remain alone if all they can offer is their “advanced degree” and if they can only settle for the top guys. Thats my opinion.

    Also you could have an advanced degree in sociology and earn € 300 per month as an intern and sadly feel superior to a blue collar guy who outearn you through the sky

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    1. This is sadly the reality. Women are often enamored by the fancy letters they can put after their name but seem to neglect the fact that a degree is primarily a means to an end. Even if such a woman were to settle down with a well-earning blue-collar worker, she would look down on him as he’s not “educated”.

    4. Well, I should not be harsh, I might have unwittingly swiped right on a tranny once or twice, based on a passable first photo, and realized my mistake after looking more carefully. One blonde was actually so hot and passed for female so well, I would not have known had he/she not clarified in the description below.

      Now seriously, as pointed out in the thread below (and in previous posts too, if you care to look back) dating apps have a very skewed success ratio. I have no problem getting laid regularly offline, but my own match count on tinder is pretty abysmal, so I barely waste any time with it.
      Lets put some numbers on this: I collected about 60 matches over the last year, I have not kept count on how many swipes each of them took but my ballpark guess is a 100 swipes for every match.
      You want to know how many of them I got to date? 6. How many of them I got into bed with? 4. And from what I hear and read, it seems I should consider myself quite successful.

      And part of my success with tinder is only because I often use it in small towns while travelling, where I immediately stand out as an outsider and thats a big plus for the local girls.

      The only time I tried Happn I got one or two measly matches.

      Why am I telling you all this? dont beat yourself up for not getting matches on apps. Alek Novy pointed out elsewhere he made a profile with photos of himself in his physical prime and got zero or close to zero matches.

      Now, if you cannot get laid offline something else must be wrong. Your looks are not bad, you may not be model quality, but I see nothing that should condemn you to being an incel. I am guessing its something with your personality. By your own account, it seems you had a chance recently, you made out heavily with a woman but then somehow blundered it (or correct me if I am mixing you up with some other commenter).

      Have you had that video consultation with Aaron yet?

    5. Why am I telling you all this? dont beat yourself up for not getting matches on apps. Alek Novy pointed out elsewhere he made a profile with photos of himself in his physical prime and got zero or close to zero matches.

      I did this test now in 2019.

      – When I originally tried Tinder years back i had some decent matches from sevens.
      – This time around I had to go down do threes to get actual matches

      Exact same profile/pics. Tinder changed. I googled it. Apparently everyone saw this change.

    6. @Alek

      Good point, I forgot to mention: most matches I got were from average or slightly above average girls. I did get a few model caliber girls (and laid one or two), but they were few and far between.

      I also noticed the change, getting matches was much easier 4 or 5 years ago, and the quality of the matches was generally better. Now I only get easy matches in small cities and towns (less than 50.000ppl), I assume its because the user pool is so much smaller and I am visibly an outsider.

    7. A big change was that Tinder allowed you to jump ahead in the queue if you paid money. Thus, if you don’t pay, your profile gets exposed to a lot fewer women. It’s similar to inflationary credentialism: everybody spends more time and money to get degrees which weren’t needed a few decades ago. Only money-lenders benefit. With Tinder, since so many men pay, none of those are going to benefit. Instead, they now have to pay money to get results that are comparable to what they got before there was Tinder Plus.

    8. I’m giving up on online dating. I deleted all my accounts and all online app from my phone.

      Maybe i will install Tinder when i travel to another country. Portugal is not good for me to get laid. 0 sucess. I see alot of hostile micro expression. Portuguese girls are the worse. Brazilians tourist girls here just want white guys and they want visa.

      I think Portugal is the worse country to hookup. They are not open.

    9. I dont know Portugal, but having been to several muslim countries, I *seriously* doubt that Portugal is the worst place for hooking up.

      And if girls in Portugal are anything like Spain and Italy (and as a latino myself, i believe it is highly likely), then hooking up is definitely not mission impossible.

      You have not replied to a critical question – have you had a consultation with Aaron yet? I suspect not. Your contributions to this blog consist mostly of whining so far, if you act like that in real life its no wonder no women want to hang around you, but its a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  13. So a new event was invented by IAAF for the world championship in athletics which is currently hold in Qatar. This event is 4×400 mixed relay. It means two women and two men are chosen for the run. The order can be arbitrary. Yesterday the final was hold, all but one team ran as Men-Female-Female-Men. The only team who chosed different strategy was Poland, they went as Men-Men-Female-Female. The polish sprinter who run the last leg is European Champion and when she got a baton she was leading by a big margin. Despite that she finished on the 5 place. It shows how big difference is between men and female biology. Video here (last leg starts at 2:35): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PYMkS0fG8zM

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    1. The woman gets overtaken without any problem. On a side note, it is unfortunate that the video is only available in low resolution as the women in the video are hot.

    1. This is a bit less damning in reality because when in doubt, men swipe left and women right. Still, there is a wide gulf, which makes sense in evolutionary terms. Now, imagine how a woman who thinks she is entitled to the top < 5% of men but has to settle for an average guy will think of her partner.

  15. The Scientific Blackpill | How Legit Is It?
    https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

    Don’t get depressed! It might be INCEL-Wiki, but the scientific background seems to be solid. I’ve been checking the background sources and they seem reliable. The question is: how significant is it? How much impact does it have on the lives of men?

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    1. That’s a pretty neat source. Thanks for sharing. Well, there can be different kinds of impacts, such as:

      1) Fake-cels who could get laid could get discouraged
      2) Incels simply accept reality
      3) Average guys realize how low their odds are and work hard on improving their odds

      Overall, I am very happy to see that such information gets collected and spread as it, at the very least, will lead to a more realistic perception of women.

    2. @Sleazy, You are welcome!

      It seems that someone from https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/ collected all the scientific evidence and created a compendium on Incels-Wiki…

      It’s a huge collection of scientific evidence. That is great! I do remember some of the studies from past readings, but some results are really fucked up, like the high percentage of rape fantasies and preference for criminals and murderers. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense, but nonetheless…. huge WTF, … Now I need some Jack Daniels Black Label ^^

      What I find puzzling and interesting: “Teenage boys with ADHD have double the amount of sexual partners vs. ‘normal’ teens”. I didn’t look into this study yet…

      Ohh, and some funny stuff: “Even chickens prefer sexually dimorphic human faces, to the same extent as humans”

    4. @Frank_HH

      Thanks for that link.

      I like the use of the phrase “coitally experienced women” in one of the studies. I think I know another word for it… It’s a short word too, only four letters.

      Costa et al. (2012) conducted an online survey of 323 “coitally experienced women.” The aim of the survey was to test the hypothesis that women who preferred a longer penis in their male sexual partners, had more frequent vaginal orgasms during sexual intercourse.

      https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_who_prefer_longer_penises_are_more_likely_to_have_vaginal_orgasms

    5. I had to laugh when I read that phrase. Academics sure can be cute in their desperate attempts to sound neutral and non-judgmental. Do they also use the phrase “coitally inexperienced men” to describe virgins and incels or are they a bit less concerned about that demographic? Also, “coitally experienced” does not nearly have the same implication as “slut”, as the former could very well just have had a lot of sex with one guy. Heck, you could even mathematically define a slut. I’m just spitballing it, but it would be along the lines of “S = a * (total number of partners) * b * (average number of sexual acts per partner)”. The variable “S” assumes the value ‘true’ if the computed value exceeds a certain predefined threshold and to ‘false’ otherwise. The factors “a” and “b” are for scaling. The former would be a large positive number > 1 and the latter a positive number much smaller than 1.

      That study sounds odd. Is there any woman out there who prefers small dicks?

    6. This study seems a little strange:

      “The most attractive BMI range for men is ~24.5-27 and for women ~17-19 as it is most youthful”

      https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_most_attractive_BMI_range_for_men_is_.7E24.5-27_and_for_women_.7E17-19_as_it_is_most_youthful

      “…women on average contacted men with a BMI of 27 most often, which would correspond to a very muscular or mildly overweight man…”

      I doubt women were contacting mildly overweight men most often…

    7. That’s true. I haven’t looked at the study, but one issue is that we would need much more fine-grained data, which would allow us to also look at how many mildly overweight and very muscular men there are who do not get many responses, i.e. it would be possible that 2% of Giga Chads who are extremely buff get most responses but that there an additional 5% of men who are likewise really buff, yet butt ugly, who get no action at all.

    8. @Gmoney

      I too found that study “strange”. I have read another big study where the optimal BMI for women was 19 – 20 and for men 23 – 24…

      Values of this study seem somewhat too extreme… they probaly need to take fat-percentage and muscle mass into account!

    9. Don’t be confused, that’s just how scientists are trained to write conclusions.

      Trust me, the person who wrote that conclusion, they knew FULL well that it means “women are trying to bang muscular guys”.

      But you’re trained to say: “It might mean A or it might mean B” if both are hypothetically possible, and unless the study specifically differentiated them. Trust me, that researcher knows that women aren’t going for mildly overweight guys. He’s just not allowed to write it in the conclusion, because that’s not how you write paper conclusions.

      This is to provide a window for the next researcher to do research that proves/creates a study to prove is the A or is it the B.

    10. The studies about personality make sense to me because I’ve been wondering recently if a man has to seem capable of violence to be attractive to women. Sex is violent after all; you are physically penetrating another human being. That’s not including all the biting, scratching, grabbing, slapping, squeezing etc that often happens during sex.

    12. The “INCEL INSIDE” logo really cracked me up, for starters.

      I only read it superficially, but it looks interesting already.

    13. “Heck, you could even mathematically define a slut. I’m just spitballing it, but it would be along the lines of “S = a * (total number of partners) * b * (average number of sexual acts per partner)”. The variable “S” assumes the value ‘true’ if the computed value exceeds a certain predefined threshold and to ‘false’ otherwise. The factors “a” and “b” are for scaling. The former would be a large positive number > 1 and the latter a positive number much smaller than 1.”

      You’re a nerd, bro 😛

    14. @Overdrive
      >>The studies about personality make sense to me because I’ve been wondering recently if a man has to seem capable of violence to be attractive to women. Sex is violent after all; you are physically penetrating another human being. That’s not including all the biting, scratching, grabbing, slapping, squeezing etc that often happens during sex.<<

      That's what Gordon Peterson says…

    15. @Yarana

      >>The “INCEL INSIDE” logo really cracked me up, for starters.<<

      Didn't notice it… *lol*

      Ryzen fucks Incel :=D

    16. @Overdrive

      The studies about personality would explain why german women welcome psychotic rapefugees into their country.

    1. It has to do with changes in how SSL certificates (or lack thereof) are interpreted by browsers. Unless you install and configure everything, browsers say this stuff. Aaron has probably just not gotten around to exploring the SSL certificates stuff.

    2. Alright, thanks for clarifying. It’s just a matter of time that they target Sleazy though, even if he remains low-profile. 😅

    3. I am surprised my site is still online, to be honest. It is on some blacklists, so I would not be surprised if at one point (Western) web hosts will refuse me as a customer. There is a trend towards a geographically split Internet. China is walled off, for instance. I would not be surprised if we see something similar in the West as well, where, for instance, the US Internet only serves mainstream media. Google has been pushing for this quite a bit, albeit in a more underhanded manner. In the early years of the Internet, search terms led to many private blogs and forums. Today, even more obscure terms will first show mainstream sources.

    4. Does this still occur? You should get a “not secure” message as I don’t use SSL. Your suspicion seems quite correct as it is indeed possible to report malicious sites to the various browser vendors. Of course, those reports are intended for sites serving malware, not sites that serve non-PC views.

    5. No, it’s not happening again, but it must be because I whitlisted you the one time. Others may still experience it.

  18. 2 years ago, when i was talking with Eric Von Markovik (Mystery), i showed Eggman picture, and he said: Eggman is Sexy, he just need to learn game, shave his head and everything is gonna be fine.

    Eggman (Famous Incel)

    https://ibb.co/qjWt9hF

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    3. Of course, if you’re a PUA scammer, then “game” is the solution, no matter how bad you look.

    4. If you search for it there are pics of eggman where his look is much more optimized and he really doesn’t look bad at all. He even dated a girl that was considerably cute per his looks level, I think.

      I just found this with a quick search:

      https://m.imgur.com/r/Incels/SUuxx

      He looks a lot better when he doesn’t compress his chin to his neck in his photos (maybe lost weight too?) and keeps his bangs covering his five head.

    6. In this picture he looks pretty average, unlike the hideous pictures of him that are floating around.

    1. Thanks for sharing. I’d been checking almost daily wondering when it’s gonna be released. He promised it ages ago.

      Though i’m surprised about just the jaw. From the teaser it seemed like it would be about more than just jaw.

    1. They seem both oblivous to the fact that the average guy, if choose to cold approach, his ratio would be pathetically low. You need to be completly dissociate with your emotions to endure that without exploding.

      Instead he should just recalibrate his ambition and wait for signals. Then ratio would be much higher

  21. I was at cinema watching The Joker movie. Joker is a incel. Before he became Joker, people treated him bad, he was almost invisible, negative feedback in his entire life.

    After watching Joker, i hate batman.

    The system has failed.

    I am a freak of nature, i can be a joker in real life.

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    1. Please don’t go around proving the SJW’s right by copycatting Joker, or becoming some sort of poor (literally, because he was rich) Elliot Rodgers. Please, thank you.

    1. yeah. cuz their hand gun ban 40+ years ago worked so darn well.
      Motherfuckers will learn the hard way that a people must be armed.

    2. I’ve always said that if someone really desires to do some damage, then they’ll find the means to do so whether firearms etc. are easily attainable or not. With a bit of creativity, one could do massive amounts more destruction than any of these one off shooter idiots we’ve had over the last however many years. I’m certainly not condoning anything, I’m just saying that people will never be safe from violence if this is their solution.

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