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Open Thread 2019 (#10)

Aaron "Sleazy" Elias

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    1. That was a good article Frank. If extraversion is not all genetic and rather an adaptive response to size and strength, then those men who are intraverts can trick themselves into being more extraverted with women. I will admit though I am still afraid of approaching a woman near a huge man for fear that he would be the pulp out of me.

    2. Don’t get fooled by pop psychology writers. If you bother to read the actual research papers you will find that in 95% of cases the effect size of bombastic phenomenon they write about is so low that it can safely be ignored.

  2. Thoughts on the Call Her Daddy podcast? It appears to have joined the top 20 list on the Apple Podcast app.

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  3. Even without all the psychological research, this kind of makes common sense based on my general experiences of life.

    One of those experiences is that I have noticed that people tend to have a generally opportunistic nature. They will often disregard principles or morals in the process. Frequently they will use some kind of plausible deniability within their own minds in order to justify their own behavior to themselves.

    I couldn’t guess a percentage of people who behave this way, I just know that I’ve encountered a lot of them.

    So it makes sense that, if someone is gifted with various physical traits, this will affect their personality because they are capitalizing on those physical traits.

    “With great power, comes great responsibility”.

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    1. @Houdini

      Yes, of course it makes common sense. If you have any brains whatsoever, then you’ll know how “things” work. Only our brain-dead feminists & politically correct idiots tell us that it’s all about character and self-confidence… but what if your looks and attractiveness contribute to your character and self-confidence? (that’s what the study is hinting at). There is also the HALO effect, which subconsciously contributes to “good personality” if you are good looking & attractive :=D So all in all it’s a win win situation for good looking people! ;=)

    2. @Houdini

      >>One of those experiences is that I have noticed that people tend to have a generally opportunistic nature. They will often disregard principles or morals in the process. Frequently they will use some kind of plausible deniability within their own minds in order to justify their own behavior to themselves.

      I couldn’t guess a percentage of people who behave this way, I just know that I’ve encountered a lot of them.<<

      Could you please give some examples…

    1. They were probably hand-picked. On that note, when you land in Beijing, the female airport staff you come across there is exceptionally good-looking, giving rise to somewhat inflated expectations. You have model-caliber women check your passports, for crying out loud! Meanwhile, at your typical Western airport you see an army of wall-hitters with fading tattoos and serious weight problems. The contrast couldn’t be any starker.

    2. @Aaron Sleazy

      They sure are, but at least those East Asian Countries try to represent their country the best possible way, whereas we in Germany promote this fat acceptance bullshit and “all women are beautiful” insanity.

  6. I want to start reading philosophy but I really don’t know where to start. Should I start from the beginning with Thales or perhaps skip to Nietzsche? Also, which works from Carl Jung would be recommended?

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    1. I recommend you start with History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell. It will give you a nice overview of Western Philosophy and you can then choose an entry point for yourself.

    2. That’s a good starting point. A quicker read is “Think” by Simon Blackburn. In general, though, don’t bother too much with philosophy as the discipline is beyond useless nowadays. Anything of substance branched off into separate disciplines. If you fired all of today’s academic philosophers and prohibited them to write, nothing of value would be lost. Besides, virtually all progress in this discipline came from non-academic philosophers anyway.

      Regarding C.G. Jung, I’d say you shouldn’t bother. He’s a very muddled thinker who is adhering to a non-scientific world view. Just spend a few minutes thinking about “synchronicity” and you’ll likely figure out why this phenomenon can be fully explained with probabilities.

    3. I particularly like that it gives you social and political context from which the various philosophies emerged.

    4. @GMoney Nice. I just ordered it. Funny thing is a guy gave me a copy of that book a long time ago, but it got ruined on accident so I threw it out. I never actually read it lol.

      @Aaron I will look into Think as well. I guess I figured it would make for good entertainment and perhaps expand my mind in some way or another. Is there some other kind of reading that would make for better use of my time? Something not necessarily practical?

      Regarding your views on Jung, it kind of reminds me of something I’ve wanted to discuss with you lately. I’ll send you an email and a proper donation within the next 24 hours.

    5. The problem with philosophy is that the signal to noise ratio is severely out of whack. Even the most lauded works are waffly and full of ambiguities. I think the most useful part of philosophy is an introduction to formal logic, but what philosophers study in one semester computer scientists and mathematicians cover in one or two lectures, and then go much further. Still, for the notoriously lax humanities, that one element makes philosophy the hardest major in that area of academia.

      I have read quite a bit in economics, including (parts of) classics like Adam Smith, Malthus, or Ricardo, up to more recent economists of the Austrian school. That was worth my time. I also enjoy reading up on (Western) history. If you’re so inclined, I also tend to recommend people to learn how to code, not necessarily to make a living with it but because you can’t bullshit your way through it, as opposed to almost everything else in life. The computer simply does what you tell it to do and will relentlessly expose if your reasoning is flawed. So, you could either study formal logic to sharpen your critical reasoning skills or dip your toes into coding. The latter is more interactive.

      I’m looking forward to your email.

    6. I second Aaron’s opinion on modern philosophers.

      Russell’s book is outstanding with regard to the Greeks and mainly the development of Christian philosophy. It gets somewhat sloppy with regard to later eras – he has not a very high opinion of Schopenhauer – If I a remember rightly, he calls his philosophy somewhat simplistic. Overall, he is one of the very few whose writing powers are on par with his clarity of thought and logical skills – you often see people with good writing skills who lack any solid reasoning.

      You may also think of reading F. C. Copleston, his antagonist in the famous BBC exchange which is also reprinted in the book “Why I am not a Christian” (Routledge Classic).

      I would like to add another point why philosophy has not so much practical application:

      For some time now – in order to get an idea how the coming banking crisis may unfold – I have been reading up on (central) banking including the tulip mania, John Law’s infamous system, the Austrian criticism of central banking (Murray Rothbard’s “Mystery of Banking” and others), the creation of the Federal Reserve, etc.

      I have also been very interested in history starting in antiquity and lately have read a lot on WWI, including the Russian Revolution(s) of 1917. I must say that slowly, but gradually, my jaw dropped: The deeper you dig, the more you realise that mainstream history is nothing but a scam. WWI, WWII, the American Civil War (and undoubtedly most other wars, I am only getting started) were orchestrated by a small group of extremely powerful people in the background who stay well hidden. WWI seems to be a good starting point – it is less complicated and not so much riddled with “taboos”. You will come across the name of Alfred Milner a lot – this name is hardly mentioned in mainstream books on WWI.

      Therefore, I would conclude that philosophical thinking is valuable, but the world is governed by much darker forces.

    7. Those dark(er) forces are still at work, but beware to speak their name, lest you’ll be labeled a “conspiracy theorist”. Today, a lot is out in the open, yet it is, strangely enough, not discussed in mainstream newspapers. We can thank Edward Snowden, Wikileaks, and sites like OpenSecrets.org for lifting the veil a little bit. On that note, the Epstein case should also be relevant, as it sheds light on the connections of the power elite — dare I call them global conspirators? — and their evil machinations.

  7. Does anyone have predictions on how will relationships between men and women will turn out in the next years?

    I recently spoke with a guy that he was convinced of the fact that in the future, men will somehow overthrow this state of beings and the “market value” of men will raise to the point of being equal to the women in terms of sex value and possibilities.

    Me onestly i always thought that this cant happen. I just see men being more jaded and retired. I also see prostitution being more legal and cheaper, the rise of new tecnologies and the fall of the marriage institution as the concept of ” alpha fux beta bux” is spreading everywhere,

    What do you think?

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    1. Technology will most likely play a huge role.
      The question is, if there will be enough brains around to create technological advances to effectively replace women in their current unbearable form with a good-enough alternative. (Sex dolls, artificial wombs).
      Everybody takes technological progress for granted but it’s a few high-IQ people that are driving progress. The more sandni**ers the governments import, the smaller the productive middle class who is in the driver’s seat of innovation becomes.
      My bet is on Asia (Japan, Korea, China). They seem to be the most closed off.

    2. Btw, men will not “overthrow” anything. Too pussified.
      The times of revolutions are gone. People just vote with their wallets and their laziness.
      Stop buying one product, start using another.

      If you friend meant by “overthrow” that men will simply ignore the current product (women in their current state) and start going for alternatives, i.e. one idea dies at the expense of another (vs. being killed without an alternative), then I agree with him.

      Slow death of the old and slow emergence of the new, both trends accelerating after a certain point. Think MySpace vs. Facebook.

  9. That was a good article Frank. If extraversion is not all genetic and rather an adaptive response to size and strength, then those men who are intraverts can trick themselves into being more extraverted with women. I will admit though I am still afraid of approaching a woman near a huge man for fear that he will beat the pulp out of me.

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    1. In theory, yes, but if your brain structure changes according to your physiognomy, then it might become difficult to adapt…

  10. Amusing article:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/07/29-i-look-back-my-teenage-relationships-older-men-more-not-less-confusion

    29 year old chick looks back on dating older men when she was a teenager. Thinks those men are creepy and ridiculous now but is scared that men her age would rather date a teenager than her. Admits halfway through that she wanted those relationships and encouraged older guys to date her.

    Funniest part is when she mentions her developing a beer gut as if that is an inevitable part of getting older! Most people do not have beer guts by 29…

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    1. That was a pretty amusing read. Thanks for sharing! This part cracked me up, where she describes herself as a teenage girl: “I spoke articulately and affectionately about how I was more mature than my years, how it was different for us.” In all likelihood, none of those guys thought she was “mature”. Instead, their primary interest was in bedding a teenage girl.

  13. 23th of July, today it’s my birthday. I’m on my 30 now. I’m listening this song and i’m imagining being a chad.

    I wish I was a hot guy. It’s over.

    https://youtu.be/gnLRtQRqwCA

    Lyrics:

    I think I’m cute
    I know I’m sexy
    I’ve got the looks,
    That drives the girls wild
    I’ve got the moves,
    That really move ’em
    I send chills up and down their spines

    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not your boy toy (boy toy)
    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not you boy toy (boy toy)

    I make ’em hot
    I make ’em shiver
    Their knees get weak
    When ever I’m around
    They see me walk
    They hear me talk
    I make them feel,
    Like their on cloud nine

    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not your boy toy (boy toy)
    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not you boy toy (boy toy)

    Eat your hearts out girls
    Hands off the merchandise

    I think I’m cute
    I know I’m sexy
    I’ve got the looks,
    That drives the girls wild
    I’ve got the moves,
    That really move ’em
    I send chills up and down their spines

    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not your boy toy (boy toy)
    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not you boy toy (boy toy)

    I make ’em hot
    I make ’em shiver
    Their knees get weak
    When ever I’m around
    They see me walk
    They hear me talk
    I make them feel,
    Like their on cloud nine
    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not your boy toy (boy toy)
    I’m just a sexy boy (sexy boy)
    I’m not you boy toy (boy toy)

    Eat your hearts out girls
    Hands off the merchandise

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  14. I know that maybe i shouldnt post this as being off topic and personal, but i would like to hear the opinion of people here that have somehow experience in this matter:

    i am at a point in my life where i am making decisions about what i am going to do in my life as job.

    I discarded all the stem stuff as never had any interest in those.

    I always been an humanity guy, i am interested in stuff like people logic & reasoning, language, symbols, propaganda, comunications, influence and stuff like that.

    Honestly i dont see much work opportunity besides maybe marketing but i think that i may be giving up a lot of earning potential considering myself with much precautions an high iq person.

    I already had a consultation with aaron but unfortunatly i didnt go deeply enough in this topic and atm i lack the finances to have another one

    Thanks for any suggestions

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    1. Lol you can make a ton of money with marketing. It’s called being an entrepreneur.

      A lot of people don’t know this, but an entrepreneur is a marketer. You’re marketing your business vision, products etc.

      And you can have a business for anything. Your business doesn’t need to sell computer software (stem). It can sell stuff closer to a humanities kind of mindset.

    2. Thanks for your comment alex,

      Didnt you said one time you did/doing something like that?

  16. An interesting comment I saw on YouTube by a certain IndigoXYZ18. Reproducing in whole. Splitting into parts because this blog sometimes doesn’t accept longer comments.

    Part 1 of comment.
    The blackpilled truth of the matter… Is it really that difficult to believe that the most important key in attraction is actually being attractive? Nobody would find it hard to believe that somebody who smells bad would have trouble dating, so why should it be surprising that the same applies to somebody who looks bad?

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    1. Part2:

      As for actual hard evidence, there is actually years of research on attraction which are extraordinarily damning. Not only are their no studies to speak of that demonstrate that personality is more important than looks, there are even studies that demonstrate that personality doesn’t matter at all. Just take for example this most recent replicated study: Physical Attractiveness is the Strongest Predictor of Initial Romantic Interest in Both Sexes; No Evidence Personality Plays Any Role, Part 2 (Olderbak, Malter, Wolf, Jones, & Figueredo, 2017).

    2. Part 3:

      All that said I think the incel community greatly underestimated the degree to which ones looks can be improved by orthotropic facial exercises. The before and after FAGGA dental implant pictures are undeniable proof that adult facial bone structure can be changed over time, as well as the before and after pics for people who practice jaw exercises. Unfortunately the FAGGA implant only pushes the maxilla forwards and not up, so it only works properly with people with a horizontal maxilla.

      You are better off doing the orthotropic exercise known as mewing. Mewing is where you push your tongue up against the roof of your mouth slowly pushing up your maxilla over time. However it has to be your entire tongue, and the most important part of your tongue that has to be putting pressure on your upper palate is the back of your tongue (think of the back of your tongue being in a ∩ shape), just know it will take a little while for the back of your tongue to be strong enough to do reach up there. The fastest way to get results is by adding leverage for your tongue through “big bolus chewing”, where in you chew many sticks of gum at once, pushing that gum onto your upper pallet with your tongue, and chewing the gum with your back teeth to strengthen your jaw. Don’t chew with the your front teeth like you would with the Jawzrsize, this can cause damage to the jaw joints, instead chew gum evenly on both sides of your jaw, if you want to build mandible muscle.

    3. Part 4:

      Lastly in under a year of bodybuilding you can drastically improve your attractiveness, and after three years your body will be as attractive to women as it will ever be. And briefly regarding body fat, studies have shown women prefer 12% which is very sustainable with a good diet and regular exercise. Of course steroids (or just high dose testosterone & HGH) are also an option for getting their quick, just know that once you start it you aren’t stopping and keeping your gains, it’s a lifetime of hormone replacement therapy past that point. But keep in mind that’s the way it’s going to be anyways when you reach your mid thirties and your hormone levels naturally begin to decline with age.

    4. Interesting comment indeed!

      I’m all for lifting weights, but I don’t know about “big bolus chewing.” How often and how long does one do it? And what kind of results can one expect? Like would you get any chicks that you wouldn’t have gotten without “big bolus chewing” for a year?

      I’m approaching 40 and have looked into TRT, and man it’s a commitment. Both in terms of cost (roughly $200-300/mo if memory serves me right, including the injectables and the drs. costs) and periodic blood work/doctor visits. You always have to monitor for side effects. Not to mention weekly injections that you either have to self-administer or go to a doctors office to get it done. Personally I get queasy about self-injecting, but maybe I could get used to it.

      On the other hand the benefits in muscle mass / leanness increases are enticing. I don’t think the effect on mood and other stuff is very large according to studies (again, if memory serves me right). At the end of the day though I’m not ready to pull the trigger on TRT.

  18. Here we go again:

    “DÜSSELDORF: Erneut Randale im Rheinbad – 60 Jugendliche wollen Kontrolle übernehmen”

    “Schon wieder ist das Düsseldorfer Rheinbad zum Schauplatz einer randalierenden Gruppe Jugendlicher geworden. Sie bedrohten die Schichtleiterin und versuchten, die Kontrolle zu übernehmen. Nun führt das Bad eine Ausweispflicht für Besucher ein.”

    “Der Schichtleiterin des Bades sei vom Anführer der Gruppe angedroht worden, sie „an die Wand zu klatschen“, als sie ihre Anweisungen aussprach. Gegenüber der „Bild“ berichtete der Chef der Düsseldorfer Bädergesellschaft, Roland Kettler, dass den 60 Randalierern nur sechs Sicherheitsleute gegenüberstanden. Zu diesem Zeitpunkt hätten sich 1500 Gäste im Bad befunden. Demnach sei die Entscheidung zur Räumung gefallen, „da nach Rücksprache mit der Polizei und dem Sicherheitsdienst nicht gewährleistet werden konnte, dass alle Gäste und das Personal unbeschadet bleiben“.”

    “Von ihrer Sprache und ihrem Aussehen her seien viele von ihnen nordafrikanischer oder arabischer Herkunft gewesen, hatte ein Polizeisprecher damals gesagt. Es seien allerdings nur von zwei Männern die Personalien aufgenommen worden – wegen Beamtenbeleidigung. Bei ihnen habe es sich um Iraner gehandelt. Das Rheinbad hatte daraufhin externe Sicherheitsmitarbeiter eingesetzt.”

    German Source: https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article197548839/Duesseldorf-Erneut-Randale-von-60-Jugendlichen-im-Rheinbad.html

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  19. “Nach ersten Informationen hat sich die Situation am späten Nachmittag zugespitzt. Eine Gruppe von ungefähr 60 Jugendlichen, die laut Kettler aus Nordafrika stammen sollen, fügte sich nicht den Anordnungen des Personals und wollte offenkundig die Kontrolle im Bad übernehmen. Die Polizei wollte sich zur Nationalität der Jugendlichen nicht äußern. „Wir haben dort lediglich das Hausrecht des Rheinbads durchgesetzt“, sagte ein Sprecher.” – Source: https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/duesseldorf/rheinbad-in-duesseldorf-wieder-geraeumt_aid-44424983

    use google translator ;=)

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    1. This is absolutely crazy. Considering that the police can hardly control a bunch of supposed immigrant teenagers, doctor-engineers of course, you can imagine what will happen once they decide to storm, or instance, a luxury apartment complex. Germany is headed for rather turbulent times.

    2. @Sleazy

      The biggest scandal is that they don’t need to fear any repercussions. They can do whatever they want and the German constitutional state is powerless. Now they are “teenagers”, but what in ten years? Beheadings in public swimming pools? Mass rapes on / at public bathing beaches?

      Times will get turbulent as soon as the welfare state collapses. At the moment “they” are kept calm with generous money spendings…

    3. An even bigger scandal is that the German taxpayer is financially supporting the antics of those doctor-engineers. There were cases where people were caught with multiple identities, of course each one of which is used for claiming benefits. Also, it’s become a cliche that there are Arab clans whose members officially live off welfare, yet, for whatever reason, drive luxury cars.

      I’d say that once Germany hits a recession, large parts of the country will descend into utter chaos. We’re already at the point where you might get stabbed to death for giggles. Needless to say, your official cause of death would be heart failure, while the knife is sticking out of your back.

    5. This isnt the first time stuff like this happens. This stuff happens all the time all over Europe. The white European man is called weak if he doesnt do anything about it. But the moment the White European man steps up and ends this. He’ll become the evil nazi.
      Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

    6. @Ben

      @Ben

      It isn’t the first time, but it’s getting more frequent and severe since 2015. Look at France: their Muslims are behaving like the German SA of the 1930s.

      The white man is brainwashed with colonial and nazi guilt. He get’s beaten with the “Nazikeule” if he dares to step up…

      But I have to disagree with one of your remarks: it doesn’t happen in Eastern Europe ;=)

    2. Yes, there will be more information. I’ve been working on a book on the topic.

  21. @Ben

    It isn’t the first time, but it’s getting more frequent and severe since 2015. Look at France: their Muslims are behaving like the German SA of the 1930s.

    The white man is brainwashed with colonial and nazi guilt. He get’s beaten with the “Nazikeule” if he dares to step up…

    But I have to disagree with one of your remarks: it doesn’t happen in Eastern Europe ;=)

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    1. Eastern Europe is brainwashed by commie-propaganda of the sort of “the state must give me XYZ”.

      Bulgaria:
      debt to gdp 25ish %
      flat corporte tax rate of 10%
      ressources plenty
      access to sea
      –> still a shithole. why? it’s the people and their attitude.

    3. What about PL and Slovenia?
      Are they anywhere close to their potential?

    4. @Neutralrandomthoughts

      Slovenia: definitely…. GDP PPP 2019 estimate – per capita: $38,634

      And Poland shape up well! Great economic growth, infrastructure is getting better with every year, streets are clean. Education level overtakes that one in Germany and is getting on par with East Asian educational level… definitely hasn’t reached its potential, but is on a good way…

      Most importantly: no engineers and doctors from middle east and north-africa.

      Sleazy has visited Poland: Ask him! ;=)

    5. From what I saw of Poland, I was very impressed. In fact, Krakow is one of the loveliest cities I’ve ever been to.

    1. “An eight-year-old boy died and his mother was injured when a man pushed them in front of a high speed train at Frankfurt railway station in Germany. => Witnesses said the man deliberately pushed the boy and his mother on to the tracks before trying to run away. He was chased and stopped by passers-by. The 40-year-old suspect attempted to push a third person but failed. The attack came 10 days after a 34-year-old woman was fatally pushed in front of a train by a man in the German town of Voerde.” – Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49155293

      Germany is becoming a third world shit county…

    2. Was just about to post this. Shocked that they put the ethnicity of the people on paper.

      Cani

    3. I’m surprised, too. Most German newspapers follow the guideline to not mention the ethnicity of the perpetrator when it’s a minority (Sweden goes one step further and sometimes turns dark-skinned perpetrators white with Photoshop). In the end, it does not matter because every white criminal gets named, so an omission of the race simply implies that it was one of those doctor-engineers from the Third World, or a second-generation immigrant Turk.

    4. @cani

      >>Was just about to post this. Shocked that they put the ethnicity of the people on paper.<<

      Why shocked? Do you object to putting ethnicity on paper?

  23. “The police were on the scene first and ran after the guy, then loads of rescue workers came … I only saw it from a distance. People who came from behind were deathly pale, some of them crying,” a witness who gave her name only as Anna D told Germany’s Bild newspaper.

    “I saw him shoving the boy onto the track. The train driver had no chance,” Georgio Angelopoulos, a railway staff member, told the newspaper before breaking down in tears.

    “I am shaken by the death of a boy in Frankfurt station. I extend my deepest sympathies to his family,” Volker Bouffier, the regional prime minister of Hesse, said in a statement.

    The horrific incident comes only a week after a 34-year-old woman was killed in a similar attack when she was pushed in front of a train in the west German town of Voerde.

    Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/29/child-killed-pushed-front-train-germany/

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    1. At least the bystanders bothered to catch the perpetrator. It suggests that some have enough outrage and balls. But I’m not sure I can say with confidence that Swedes would do the same. I remember watching footage where they’ve turned a blind eye to similar crimes happening right before their very eyes.

    2. There was another incident just yesterday, where some foreign-trained surgeon stabbed someone to death with what looks like a samurai sword. He also went the extra mile and cut his victim into pieces. Cultural enrichment in Germany has clearly shifted up a gear.
      Here’s a video:
      https://twitter.com/MTGMRY1/status/1156678192406695936
      Accompanying news story (in German):
      https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.mord-in-stuttgart-opfer-wird-auf-offener-strasse-niedergemetzelt.4256afe2-4dbb-40d4-a461-3fd7725e4a4b.html?reduced=true

    1. Yes? even when they protest rape?
      I,m sure that taking your clothes off will teach those rapists.

    2. @ben

      Yes, even then. I am getting sick of those naked female protesters. Fucking narcissists.

  26. “Far-right racists threaten to burn down German kindergartens because they stopped serving pork” – source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-pork-kindergarten-islam-far-right-leipzig-nursery-school-a9029801.html

    “Why did two Leipzig kitas’ ‘pork free’ menus spark a nationwide row?” – source: https://www.thelocal.de/20190725/why-did-two-german-kitas-pork-free-menus-cause-a-nationwide-row

    “German day cares under police protection after plans to stop serving pork” – source: https://www.dw.com/en/german-day-cares-under-police-protection-after-plans-to-stop-serving-pork/a-49722710

    “Child nurseries given police protection after anti-Muslim anger over removing pork from menus” – source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pork-germany-daycare-nursery-leipzig-police-islam-a9020926.html

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