An often lamented supposed fact is that the consumption of porn leads to men not getting it up when they are with a real woman. We are told that this is a problem. The issue is that men are so hyper-aroused through porn that if some Six with a muffin top wants to get some dick, it stays limp. But is this really a problem?
I contend that this is not an issue at all. If anything, porn has leveled the playing field. In decades past, young women used to be slim. Slim women are attractive as its an indicator for health. Evolutionarily speaking, we are wired in such a way that we find indicators of health arousing. While the adoption of the Internet and the subsequent improvement of network speed made porn ubiquitous, something else happened as well: women just got fatter and fatter. They got tattoos. They started to dress slovenly. Their attitude certainly did not seem to have improved either.
In order to test the hypothesis that porn leads to E.D., we would have to conduct a simple experiment. In the first part, we take a bunch of guys who are supposedly affected by this condition and put them into a room with your typical less-than-attractive female. There are two possible outcomes of that. If they can get it up, we have disproven the hypothesis. However, if they do not get it up, we do another experiment and put them into a room with a genuinely attractive woman. We’d take a hot escort and tell her that she only has to touch some penises. Intercourse is not required. We could get this done for a few hundred bucks. If the guys get hard, the hypothesis is disproven.
I would be very surprised if porn was the issue and not the fact that women are getting less attractive. Now, if you think this is a bold claim, then recall that the average weight of women only goes up. Fat women are not attractive to most men. Consequently, we have proven that women are getting less attractive. Just look around, bucko! How many women do you see whom you genuinely find sexually attractive? How often do you come across a woman and think, “Man, I sure would not mind banging that one?” It’s really not that many. Yet, if all women were in excellent shape, the percentage of fuckable ones would be much higher. I would even go as far as to claim that the face of a woman and the size of her breasts become increasingly irrelevant as her level of physical fitness improves because you only have to turn her around and do her from behind. An in-shape woman putting her ass in the air, waiting for you to penetrate her is a rather pleasant sight, after all.
From personal experience, I also doubt the hypothesis that porn makes you desire “real” women less. Sure, you’ll find unattractive women less attractive. On the other hand, porn gives you a plethora of sources to study. If you’ve never banged a chick who is really in shape, then porn can even get you the motivation to go out and get laid. Heck, when I was at my most sexually active and went through one woman after another, I had phases were I rubbed one out to the porn chicks I liked, without this affecting my performance “in
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I can relate to this from personal experience. I had a period where I couldn’t get hard to real life women. And they weren’t fat… I even had a super skinny and fit chick naked in my living room and I couldn’t get it up.
I was like hey maybe this is the porn causing ED… But then some super hot petite with super tight ass made it a mission to seduce me… I got super hard in milliseconds… Then I collaborated with some fit chick with a super tight ass… Hella boner just being in the same room as her…
And I was like oh… So I don’t have ED then. What I realized is that my criteria had gone up. Not just to “don’t be fat”… That used to be the criteria. Now it seems to be “have a super seductive demeanor as well”…
Dunno if I’m explaining it well? Like the chick has to also act in a porn like manner, not just look it. The super fit chick I couldn’t get hard with? She just lay on her back like a dead fish.
The one who made me super hard before we ever touched? Fucked me like her life depended on squeezing every drop of cum outta my body.
Both had a 10 body… But the energy and demeanor… Completely different… And it seems I’m at a point where it makes a difference.
I can relate to the experience, I had a similar experience. In my case it started with a girl from Colombia I was seeing, she was good looking and the sex was decent, nothing outstanding but it got the job done. One night I did her and afterwards could not get it up again for a second round, and I realized I had no desire to get laid with her. And the following days I realized the feeling had gotten extensive to all women generally.
I knew it wasn’t ED because with porn I got it up just fine, I just felt jaded of dealing with women, the prize was not worth the effort (and even considering this girl was not really a lot of effort). So I went on a stretch of about 6 to 8 weeks where I abstained from women (and cut down on porn) and my libido bounced back. Its good to take a break from time to time.
Right now I am seeing 2-3 girls, but the steady one is a cute 22yo who quite literally fucks like a pornstar. My standards for other women have improved accordingly. 🙂
I don’t think “lowered libido” is even an issue per se. Like…
If you get rockhard the moment you fire up your favorite porn scene, what does that mean? Why is it an issue if you don’t have the same reaction to the average chick?
The term implies it’s lower than it should be. Who says we should have a high drive or desire to bang 7s?
Why do we have “low libido” if we’re only motivated by 9s?
In this case I define sevens, eights and nines differently. It’s not just about her physical appearance. I mean her sexual attractiveness from 1 to 10.
A girl with an 8 body and 2 demeanor? I give her a 6 sexually. A girl with a 6 body and 10 porn-like seductive demeanor? I give her an 8 sexually.
How come I have a low libido for sixes but not for eights? Weird how that works…
I think it’s just being fed up with low grade shit and getting higher standards. That’s all it is.
I believe that for some men, just the thought of being unattractive (them, men) can kill their libido. When you can’t see, imagine; anyone loving or desiring your body, the libido can shut down. Imagine if 40 year old average Joe, with “no libido” moved to a country where he is desired. I guess when he thinks he can “get laid” his libido will skyrocket.
Just thinking that all women are off-limits could make the brain shut down all things of sex
C2H5OH – there’s definetely some truth to that.
I’ve definitely noticed my general horniness rising when my desireability (or options) grew. It’s almost like the brain goes “hey, options are popping out, go seize them”.
I think this further demonstrates how rape culture or the premise of the ubiquity of male rapists is utter bullshit. Most males would not be able to get it up if they did not feel mutual attraction. Personally, the girl explicitly showing signs of enjoyment in sex is way more gratifying than the act itself. I think it’s the same for most guys.
Then, assuming that normal men can only get it up with willing women, real rape is probably only done by psychopaths. In fact, of the so-called ‘rapists’ in history, I’d wager most of them were just accused because the women changed their minds ex post facto. And if you look at Genghis Khan, all of the scores of women he ‘raped’ probably enjoyed it too. It’s just that in the books we like to label it rape to satisy those who can’t handle the truth.
Feminist and tradcons alike are not happy with the choices men (specially young men) are making. Both think by limiting men’s choices by banning porn, computer games and sexdolls. Men will get back on with their programmes. They won’t. Men are not the problem. Women and the gynocentric system are the problem. Banning porn or telling men scary stories about the horrors of jerking off won’t change a thing. You’ll have to offer men a better deal. Let’s be honest here. Most married men will still end up jerking off. Because their wife’s lose all interest in sex after they have what they wanted. The moment they have his resources secured. And have the number of children they wanted. They will stop putting out anyway. Or worse, they’ll divorce him and discard him completely. So he’ll be back at jerking off anyway. Are those few years of pussy really worth the effort. The price of pussy is simply to high. So men make the choice not to buy. They won’t pay top dollar for second hand, low grade damaged goods.
Relationships with modern Western women are high cost, high risk and low reward. Porn is cheap, easy, save and always available. How is porn the problem here? Even if jerking off at porn would be harmful. A STD or divorce can end your life. So it’s the lesser evil.
I recently read that in the UK, some porn sites will begin requiring personal information to prove that you’re 18 years of age. Just another way to try and limit the freedoms of men by taking away the anonymity of using porn.
People will just make fake email. If they check ip addresses. Just reroute your ip address. Problem solved. They’ll never get it fool proof. Worst case you buy a fake identify online from some hacker. They can’t even make creditcards save for online use. What makes them think that they can pull this off?
Get yourself a good VPN and problem solved. The brits ISP will only see you connecting to the VPN. To the porn site you can look like you are accesing from Antarctica.
@Ben
It’s not so much if they can pull this off, but the simple fact that they would try to do it. Should there ever be super realistic augmented sex dolls or whatever, I imagine governments would want to crack down on them. They would say that all men who use them are predisposing themselves to become pedos or something.
Yes they’ll try. And they’ll keep trying. But it never works. Even when they ban porn, sexdolls, computer games and ruin all male entertainment. Men will simply find themselves something else. Just take the increasing numbers of Western men going to Asia, Russia and Eastern Europe to look for wife’s. And the growing MGTOW trend. They can do whatever they like to push these ideas on to men. Men will find something else. And the moment they cant go their own way anymore. They will fight. So let them push it as much as they like. It’s all just extra fuel for the fire. One day they’ll push it to much. On that day we’ll have a wonderful barbecue.
“I contend that this is not an issue at all. If anything, porn has leveled the playing field.”
==> What would be the female equivalent of porn? Binging on chocolate (or otherwise eating like a viking)? Or being a cock-tease on Tinder…or trolling for ‘likes’ on Instagram to feed their narcissm ?
I would say porn can be ‘bad’ insofar it becomes addictive – just like being addicted to eating McDonalds or smoking cigarettes aren’t good vices.
But to shame men for porn is hypocritical if not blind…blind to the symptom for porn-use. The symptom is for the ‘illness’ that is dealing with your modern day woman. That modern day woman being self-obsessed – or as Aaron describes, unattractive with her self-destructive and ugly-ing behaviors.
The female equivalent of porn would be 50 shades of gray, eat pray love, and romance novels. Plus every vampire novel ever written, up to and including Bram Stokers Dracula (not to say Dracula is not a masterpiece, I think it is, but the derived genre leaves a lot to be desired).
I think it was Peterson (or Gad Saad) who observed that romance novels for women are almost all variations of a same basic plotline… not much different of what happens with porn X-)
So why when i watch porn every day and fap, i get ED and when i stop with this ED fades away?
There is an amusing contradiction in the original claim because if someone really had ED, they couldn’t fap to porn. Our assumption here is that if you expose yourself to higher quality pussy, be it through porn, hookers, or regular chicks, your standards rise, which means that a Six won’t get you hard as easily, if at all.
Do you get “ED” with hot 19 year old models rubbing against you? Try this test… jerk off a ton to porn until you get to what you “define as ED”… then book a session with the highest-rated 19-20 year old escort in your city.
Report back to me if you get “ED” with her.
Women are just like cars. You can’t expect men to get warm feelings for a busted Honda after he has driven a couple Ferrari’s. Specially knowing it’s just a rental car anyways. He doesn’t even own it. Women cant go back financially. Men can’t go back sexually. Women didn’t do themselves any favours by throwing the old monogamy rules overboard. There’s no way a guy who had some 10’s for free is going to pay top dollar for a 6. Maybe if she would have been his first he would have some irrational attachment to her. Just like men feel irrational attachment to their first car. But driving a busted Honda just doesn’t do much for a guy who knows what the market has to offer. Having sex with a 6 just isn’t a satisfying experience after you had a couple 10’s. And even after just being bombarded by images of these supper hot women there will be a change of mindset. Even guys who never had a 10 would probably feel they are getting the shit end of the stick when they have to settle for a 6. Knowing what they are missing.
@AlekNovy: Great point.
I’m betting their ED is magically cured within seconds.
Maybe it’s a effective sales method to avoid anti prostitution laws? “It’s not prostitution”. It’s medical treatment for ED. Maybe health insurance should cover it? Or even better. “It’s not a whorehouse” It’s a religious temple where sacred women miraculously cure ED. (As religious institutions are not required to pay taxes.)
Good points Ben. Especially on how men can’t go back sexually. So true. Which is why it’s wise for women to “capture” a young guy with little experience and lots of potential. That’s their only realistic chance and what I’d teach a daughter.
Chicks do the opposite instead. They wait for a guy to accrue a ton of experience and success in life, then they want that guy… But that guy has had offers from better chicks. Why is he gonna settle to provide for a six?
That’s only possible if you net that guy before he experiences the world and realizes his SMV worth.
“The issue is that men are so hyper-aroused through porn that if some Six with a muffin top wants to get some dick, it stays limp. But is this really a problem?”
The issue is that guys with real Porn Induced ED cannot get it up to ANY real women. You can give them a 9/10 girl and they don’t get it up for her because they trained their brains to be aroused by pixels – not reality – through watching porn for 4h+ a day. A lot of those guys don’t even masturbate while watching porn.
what???????????
you are full of bs.
what do you mean by training your brain to be aroused? no no no, i have body instincts for that they work automatically(so will human species increase without forceful automatic intervention from your body), no training required.
also if you watch porn without jacking off, you have a problem .
i must note through once you get used to a level you need to go higher to be aroused.standards increase.
it must be shit for old people.
I actually got ED from too much jerking off to porn.
I don’t have super high testosterone to begin with, but I never had trouble getting errections.
but when I was 32, I started watching porn much more frequently, and more extreme porn. (BDSM stuff mainly)
one day, I had a session with a very hot escort (8/10) and I couldn’t get it up.
also when I got it up, the sex quality was not as good as in the past, because I suffered a lot
from death grip.
then I stoped watching porn and jerking to it, and ED was fixed.
I don’t know really, but 40 day no fap streak improved everything sex and libido related by 50% for me. But I don’t want libido any more so I don’t practise it anymore
lol death grip, i am so much in this boat and i am 28 i have been here for 8 years by now. i am scared to go to escorts for this reason of not being able to cum with condom and without is just too risky.