Some weeks ago I mentioned the case of a third-world woman who got into the West and who was over-eager to learn about the financial situation of the men around her. Here’s another story, in the same language course setting. She’s from Southern Europe, from one of those heavily indebted countries. You know which ones I’m talking about. She’s currently on a one-year contract, which will be up soon. That was what I knew of her. I also knew that she has a boyfriend. She brought this up when a guy with relatively low socio-economic status hit on her.
The other week, we had an exam in that language course. I was done way before anybody else, but there was a second part that had a fixed starting date, so I had to hang around the examination venue. I was reading Emerson’s Essays, when someone asked me if she could sit down next to me. It was her. She tried to get a conversation going. It was getting a bit too noisy, so I couldn’t properly read anymore anyway. First we chit-chatted a bit about the exam, but she quickly segued into asking me about my work. I have a smart-guy job. While I don’t nearly get paid as much as a high-powered consultant or an investment banker, I’m in an industry that pays for brains. My job is also reasonably secure because if one of my superiors had a stupid nephew who needed work, that guy couldn’t replace me. In many other fields, I’m in particular thinking about various roles in business, the complete opposite is the case.
I vaguely described what I do, and I got the impression that she systematically probed for information, such as whether I’m an individual contributor or also have some managerial duties, and if I have people who report directly to me. That seemed all a bit invasive, so I cut that short and asked her what her boyfriend does for a living. She was a bit taken aback by that question, but then she talked about him, but she quickly transitioned about her goals in life and then, when it didn’t really fit, she added that her “current boyfriend may not be forever”. I was absolutely disgusted by this. She’s living with this guy who is presumably paying her rent if not more. Thus, she is living with him and off him. Yet, behind his back she’s probing other guys for their financial situation.
Some girls claim that guys who only want to fuck women are off-putting. Yet, their intentions are pure. Also, what’s another dick for a slut? She’s had plenty before. Yet, I find it disgusting how transparently some parasitic women look for another host. Supposedly we men objectify women as sex objects, but what does a woman do who sizes you up financially? She likewise objectifies you and, unlike a guy who has a genuine sexual interest in some woman, she doesn’t have an interest in you, but only in what you can provide. In comparison, a man’s sexual interest in a woman is pure and honorable.
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When you understand hypergamy and briffaults law. It’s not hard to see why feminism simply can not work ever. Women are not loyal by nature. And with no fault divorce. Marriage has become a empty promise. Men should no longer view things they do for a woman like a investment. It’s not an investment into the relationship. Everything you do or pay for is an expense. The moment you provide the benefit to the woman. It already lost it’s value. You can’t earn loyalty points by providing for women. That’s not how female nature works. She’s not your woman. It’s just your turn. That pussy is on lease.
I’m not sure if she objectified you based on your income. Seems to me she already objectified you based on your looks. She was attracted to that—but maybe it wasn’t enough for her to consider jumping ship. Hence money
Unless a woman is a gold digger, looks is primary. She wouldn’t be asking about your income if she didn’t care about your looks.
In fact, I’ve always been curious why so many people are convinced that it’s all about money. Even if you had it, you’d need to be able to signal that you have it without being gaudy. And if you didn’t have a boat load of money, it’s still possible to pretend that you do. But I’ve yet to meet a woman taken away because some dude appeared rich. I get it he’s famous but that’s status.
She’s in her early to mid twenties, so of course looks play a bigger role, but give her a few years and no viable options, and she’ll happily latch on to a walking wallet she’s not overly attracted to.
“Even if you had it, you’d need to be able to signal that you have it without being gaudy.”
when you have money it’s hard to not signal. And women are VERY good at smelling the attitude money brings with it – no matter how unspectacular you try to look.
“when you have money it’s hard to not signal. And women are VERY good at smelling the attitude money brings with it – no matter how unspectacular you try to look.”
You’d be surprised. I know this hot 33 year old Milf with a 14 year old with two sugar daddies: the first one owns a ferrari and the other one has a mansion in Long Island and a huge condo in the Upper West side. Although in their late 30s / early 40s and not exactly physically attractive (former being rich engineer, the other being a short Jew), she isn’t attracted to them and they aren’t getting laid. While walking around Manhattan one day, this 6’4 ripped black personal trainer hits on her in the street and within a day gets a bang. Maybe this is just anecdotal but I surmise that in a big city where you got plenty of people with money, the benefits become marginal. In other words: It’s all about looks
This is more of an exception as there are very few women who have access to a very large number of rich men. Also, it sounds as if money is of no concern for that woman, maybe due to getting rich through a divorce.
If you have even an ounce of ideal left, I’d recommend reading this blog which pretty much ends up killing it by providing the data and analysis needed to solidly substantiate the observations in Aaron’s blog:
https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2014/02/
I still think there’s room for Personality though–but it probably won’t matter in online arenas or interactions lasting less than 5 minutes (i.e. the bar)
“This is more of an exception as there are very few women who have access to a very large number of rich men. Also, it sounds as if money is of no concern for that woman, maybe due to getting rich through a divorce.”
You’re right about the first sentence — so maybe she is the exception. Although, she’s certainly not rich. She got knocked up by a cocaine drug dealer at the age of 19 and doesn’t even live in NYC. She has to travel 5 hours to manhattan to meet her sugar daddies–and she stays in their condo while providing no sex (or so she says but seems reasonable due to her description of her SD’s unattractive supplicating behavior)
She does have a not attractive yet not un-attractive man living with her in her house who was a former BF — kinda like a parasite — who also doesn’t get sex. From my experience with prostitutes—this kind of co-dependency issue isn’t unusual. So she fits the profile minus the all out prostituting
I think I’m probably more cynical than you Aaron — I feel your committed to some kind of just world fallacy where these kinds of chicks ultimately suffers from righteous justice….. Wouldn’t mind some righteous justic though lol
I don’t believe in a just world as I have seen too many people, men and women alike, get away with complete bullshit. However, biology is a constant, and female biology will work against them. Those women who think they are the exception to the rule, i.e. that they won’t age and will always be attractive to Chad and Tyrone will be sorely mistaken.
Anon: (It’s all about looks) Alpha fucks, beta bucks. Nothing new. Beta will get just enough pussy to make him give up his resources if he’s lucky. Alpha gets it for free.
Sugar baby’s often claim they dont have sex with their sugar daddy’s. But that’s bullshit. They are just prostitutes with a longer lease. Only a complete fool will pay a woman just to hang out. Most complete fools won’t be able to drive a Ferrari. Unless they are born into money.
Anon: (She does have a not attractive yet not un-attractive man living with her in her house who was a former BF — kinda like a parasite — who also doesn’t get sex. From my experience with prostitutes—this kind of co-dependency issue isn’t unusual. So she fits the profile minus the all out prostituting)
Sounds like he’s her pimp.
Anon: Maybe you should study the art of pimping. Say what you want about pimps. They understand women. Just look at Hugh Hefner. He pimped out all these beautiful women. Without them even realising they were pimped out by him. He even made being a hoe seem glamorous. Hugh Hefner was the best pimp the world has ever seen. And yet hardly anyone will call him a pimp.
Ben – I don’t think you’ve been Silicone Valley or you’re in a field of work where people require a minimum amount of social acumen and looks to get paid (e.g. sales, public relations, etc…)
Let’s say you’re an Engineer though, here’s a couple of observations
–you most likely have geeky interests
–most likely autistic
–may possibly be a hopeless romantic
–mostly surrounded by people with equally geeky interests at work and at social settings
–most likely not 10% looks wise
–most likely have good money, maybe even have baller money
Let’s face it: in this technological age, you don’t need to be alpha male business man to get rich (see Bill Gates) and buy a ferrari
Since his social circle and wider network would likely comprise of geeks, odds are he won’t meet a hot chick leveraging a social circle who would like him because of his sterling personality
So basically Engineer dude is stuck with chasing girls either in bar or online. A bar is a looks driven arena, so he’s got no chance with that. Traditional or Swipe based online dating is also all about looks, so again no chance. Then out of desperation, said Engineer finds a sugar baby in Seeking Arrangement (essentially for online dating it’s either Looks or Money, if you have neither, you’re done). Based on your typical Engineer’s profile, would it be outside the realm of possibility that he’s putty in her hands? In other words: I don’t have reason to disbelieve 33 year old chick’s claims–like she knows she’s a mercenary anyways and she knows I know it…
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As per being a pimp, no need–not worth it. I’m dating someone right now, but if it doesn’t work out, then I’ll probably be done with women for quite some time. I’m not a good looking dude and getting anything has been an incredible pain in the ass, and a drain in time, effort, and resources. Like you even Aaron reaching similar conclusions—I think—and the guy’s good looking
And in fact, this whole anecdote about the 33 year old chick doesn’t even annoy me. I actually find it quite amusing. It’s just Nature — people are going to do whatever they want even if what they want is ultimately delusional
Anon: A engineer might be a geek. But not stupid. Seeking Arrangement is trying hard not to look like a prostitution website. But that’s what it is. Sugar baby’s are prostitutes who fuck for money. A sugar baby who tells you she doesn’t fuck her sugar daddy is simply lying. Sugar baby’s fuck for money. That’s their job. They are just normal prostitutes who give the girlfriend experience. If they ain’t fucking it wouldn’t be a girlfriend experience. The name sugar baby is just a clever way to avoid law enforcement. And for the girls to claim plausible deniability. I have thought about getting a sugar baby or two. But that wouldn’t be really interesting for me right now. As they are greatly overpriced in the Netherlands. Maybe when i live in Thailand. It makes things simpler. I like the principle of just making a contract that includes every aspect of the “relationship”. It’s more honest just to put everything on the table from the start. It’s a stable income for her and pussy on demand for me. Simple.
Hi Aaron, do you recommend any resources on how to be a good lover? I mean, there are hundreds if not thousands of books out there that people are trying to sell out there. I wonder if you agree with any of them and would recommend it to someone who is inexperienced sexually as I am.
How about you fuck a few women first. You’re not going to learn how to be a better lover by reading about it.
You could also pay for the services of a good quality escort and ask her to show you the ropes,if the option is available to you. (Yes,this is a serious response and not a mockery. I and many others here agree that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with using the services of a professional.)
This is something you can only learn through experience,not by reading or watching porn videos.
It’s just sex. Not rocket science. Finding out by experience is when you’ll have the most fun. Maybe you make it a bigger deal than it has to be? Just go and have fun. You don’t need a degree to fuck. It’s just a matter of experience. The more experience, the better you’ll get and the less you will care.
How is a mans sexual interest in a woman based on her looks pure and honorable?
Versus a womans sexual interest in a man based on his looks, money, and status?
How about you use your brain a little bit?
Ben — SA is actually quite interesting here in NYC because even though one would imagine that it’s all about money, looks still matter significantly. I thinks it’s because there’s just too many men with money in here. It’s like not only do you have to be good looking to these women but you got make a shit load of money too. I did find a few decent prospects, but there’s no way I’m paying >2k usd a month for someone I don’t consider stunning
Anon: From what i’ve been told it seems the prostitution market is just as broken as the dating market in the USA. In my country both are a little better. Prostitution is legal in my country. Escorts are high quality. So the hole sugar baby thing isn’t much here. SA is mostly for delusional college girls who think they can get 2-3k a month for nothing. They are 6s and 7s. The hot girls ask 10k+. While a hot escort 9s and 10s cost about 320-340 Euro a pop. So nobody with a brain is going for the sugar baby’s. It’s much cheaper and higher quality to use an escort. In Thailand however it’s a different story. There you can get a perfect 10 for about 15000 THB (375 Euro) a month. And she’ll be much better behaved. So that might be interesting for me when i live there permanently. Even though i’m always getting the time for free in Thailand. It might make things simpler. As most of the other girls have expectations. And i’m not planning to settle down.