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35 thoughts on “Open Thread #419: Women/Dating

    1. Oh, this is Blackdragon’s blog. I find his writing style insufferable. If I wanted to read articles that consist of the Reddit style of one one-sentence paragraph after another, I would go straight to the source.

    2. He’s a bit unintentionally funny:
      “I’ve spoken about sex robots entering Western culture soon many times, going back more than ten years at my blogs.
      […]
      I don’t know exactly when this is going to happen, but I promise you this is going to happen well within 20 years or less.”

      He has an interesting definition of “soon” (assuming he’s right about the timeframe to begin with, which I’m not very confident he is).

    3. because of the robotics and other physical tech that must be improved first.

      Correction 1: because of robotics and other physical tech being improved first (weird sounding)

      Correction 2, drop “of” and “that”

    1. This would not surprise me at all as Blackdragon is the kind of guy who is always looking for a shortcut.

    2. I’m actually in Blackdragon’s mailing list (Tried getting business info out of him. I’m not really sure I’m eager anymore to work with him after awhile…), and he tried to pull off a scare marketing tactic where he will remove all subscribers from the list who wouldn’t fill out a form.

      I didn’t bother…I didn’t get booted from the mailing list.

      I mean, maybe its not fair to fault a man for trying to further his biz, but that tactic could have horribly backfired on him. (for all I know, it might have. I wonder if he lost numerous subscribers over it)

      Why am I still on his mailing list? I guess I’m just keeping my options open. I’m only interested in his business advice. I have you guys, so anything out of him about the dating sphere is just something I read mostly for curiosity and entertainment.

  1. hahahahahahaha, who knew, between eating donuts and getting high on confiscated drugs, LA’s “finest” made waycist comments!

    1. Cops tend to be more racist than the average person, because it’s in the nature of their jobs that they have to deal with the people who cause the most crime. 🙂

      I was curious about the racial makeup of the LAPD, so I googled and found this in an article from about a year ago:
      “As of Jan. 14, the latest figures, the agency is comprised of 8,975 sworn personnel: 54% are of Hispanic descent, 25% are white, nearly 9% are Black officers and 8% are Asian American.

      The city of Los Angeles, however, has a population that is 48.1% Hispanic or Latino, 41% white, 8.6% Black and 11.8% Asian, according to 2022 Census estimates.”
      https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/national/2024/02/07/first-asian-american-to-lead-los-angeles-police-department-is-appointed-interim-chief/

      So apparently the recruitment staff are racist, especially against latinos, yet he have a significant overrepresentation of latino officers, a massive underrepresentation of white officers, and a significant underrepresentation of Asian officers.

      Hmm, racism against whites and Asians, while favoring latinos (blacks had a population-matching representation for once) … Where have I ever heard that before? 🙂

  2. I see Blackdragon is still running the same scam of easy money and women if you follow his bs “ALPHA 2.0”. It’s funny how scams always are the same setup.

  3. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jZge5mjJApQ

    truth be told, even before I became “redpilled”, false virtue signaling has always annoyed the shit out of me. Like girl, you’re pretty much the same way even if you don’t admit it. reminds me of an anonymous confession I read somewhere (when I used to have facebook) where a woman asked her boyfriend if he would cheat on her if Angelina Jolie (or maybe some other supermodel, I don’t remember) was available to him. He hesitated in his answer and that was enough for her to jump on him.

    He asked the question back if she would cheat with some male Korean supermodel (I don’t remember his name). She didn’t admit she would have sex with him, but when he reframed the question to kissing/making out, she started giggling like a hyena at even the thought of it.

    What is it with chicks and their tendency to hold us up to standards that they themselves won’t even meet halfway for us?

    1. I am sure she only wanted to “cuddle” with him. This reminds me of a chick once showed me a picture of herself, a girlfriend of hers, and James Blunt. He is in the middle, with one chick on each side, and they are sitting on a hotel bed. This woman immediately added that they only “hung out” with him in his suite and that nothing happened. Of course, there is no way she had a threesome with him and that girlfriend of hers. Musicians are known for only wanting to cuddle and hang out with groupies, after all.

  4. I suppose this is more of a theoretical question, but is it more feasible to marry (as a man) into new money than into old money?

    Did Jeremy Meeks marry into Old Money?

    1. It’s definitely easier to marry into new money than into old money.

      I’m not familiar with Meeks’s ex-wife Melissa Meeks, but googling her name tells me she is a nurse and “TV personality,” who looks like white trash. If she has money, I’d wager she’s not old money.

    2. Old Money moves in closed-off circles, so if you do not belong to the same class of people you are not going to meet them, let alone marry one of them.

    3. I have encountered both. Granted, if you run into the children of these people, the differences are not necessarily that strong. In fact, one of the reasons New Money loves sending its children to expensive schools is so that they acquire Old Money habits, so that their children’s children know how to behave properly.

    4. What Aaron mentioned about schooling is probably the most reliable way to meet old money people. If you have exceptional social skills you may be able to build a lasting friendship with them, but that doesn’t they’re gonna want you to marry into the family, heh. 🙂

      Another way is through work, as many of their young have to work these days. The old way of just living off rent and interest has disappeared for many of them.

      You can also get involved in charities they are active on. It’s considered proper for old money folks to be sit on charity boards, and it’s not unusual for them to get involved in both local and national charities (at least in the U.S.). It’s hard to get to the board level of many of them unless you donate a lot, though.

      The most reliable way to actually marry old money is to find a family in dire financial straits, because they’re sometimes willing to marry new money to get out of their hole. Back in the day it was often British noblemen who married the daughters of the newly rich American industrialists, like Consuelo Vanderbilt. These ladies were known by the very classy moniker “dollar princesses.” 😀

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_princess

      This still happens today, but today it’s usually a marriage to a local with a lot of money, like a successful financier or the like. Problem with this is that it requires you to be very rich already, so it’s not a way to marry into money, just a way for those who already have money to marry into the “right” social circles.

    5. While it is true that a lot of the offspring of wealthy families nowadays do have to work, their jobs are often in fields that are very hard to get into without a suitable pedigree. I remember a young woman who studied with who got a fancy job at Sotheby’s, another one who joined a high-end real-estate company, one who became a “partner” at a small investment fund, etc. The guys normally get a leg up in competitive fields like consulting or banking but if they have to climb the ladder themselves, then there is a limit with regards to how far their family name can carry them. There are niches, however, in which these guys do infinitely better than their peers. A prime example is private wealth management. Obviously, if you come from Old Money and want to invest 20m, you would feel a lot more comfortable talking to a banker who has grown up in such an environment.

    6. Aaron:
      Oh, absolutely!

      Have you ever seen the show Mad Men? They give a pretty good illustration of a way the phenomenon you are talking about can manifest even in more meritocratic environments.

      There’s a guy in the show, Peter Campbell, who is American old money as well as coming from a family that can trace its roots back to 13th century Scottish nobility. When he moves into a condo with his new wife the head of the board gushes about having a Campbell in the building.

      He works as an account man for a Madison Avenue ad agency, and after messing up on something, a senior employee wants to fire him. That senior gets called in to the head of the agency, and is told something along the lines of “There’s someone like Campbell at every agency. We need someone with his pedigree to be able to get and keep a particular type of client. And I can’t replace him with another, because I can’t have his mother spending her summer on Nantucket telling people how our agency was mean to her boy.”

    7. Mad Men sounds like a TV show I would enjoy. I recall that in the late 2000s quite a few women were talking gushingly about it, but it was more about good-looking guys wearing suits, which seemed a bit flimsy as a premise of a TV show. Thanks to this video clip I just remembered Jon Hamm/Don Draper memes, which were popular for a while. Here is one I just randomly dug up:
      https://www.reddit.com/r/madmen/comments/f5r14o/isnt_this_meme_kind_of_ironic_considering_don_was/

    1. Yea, that was me. I’ve been avoiding the age question 🙂

      I will say that some young girls (19-25) girls are fine with my age. Not always a dealbreaker. But yea, for many it is a deal breaker.

    2. But I’m not sure what you mean by a good example of Chick Logic?

      It’s hard to tell from the brief account, but it seems she just wasn’t gonna go for him know his real age? You mean how she might have given him some attitude?

  5. Coulda sworn this blog had its own term for the “Female Defense Fantasy”.

    “White Knighting” works well enough though.

    I find it strange that I lacked this instinct in my youth though. I think it has to do with the fact that women shunned me early on when I was a bottom tier status kid being bullied in school. they weren’t hesitant to show their disdain for me at the time and maybe that’s the reason I never really had the experience of being the long term friendzone/beta orbiter guy.

    I simply never got the chance to harbor about the fantasy of the beautiful girl who is super kind, which many blue pill chumps do because of my early exposure.

  6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyBcSuqLo3k

    This is how women deal with rejection…not very well. I’ve had a few incidents in my life, but not with as direct of an aggression.

    any of you have stories to tell of not responding to a woman’s signals (or even forward advances in rarer cases) and them not reacting well to it?

  7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=2hsR-s43x5Q

    I find this woman and this interview to be very interesting, if not absorbing.

    I am just a weird guy who rejected sex even when I had a chance (the only chance) because I feared that once I overstepped that line, there was no going back. Something very precious being at risk, that how I felt.

    Please have a look and comment.

    Still, she is a woman and she is giving you a woman perspective.

  8. I’m heading back closer to home soon and leaving the city behind, at least for now. Wanted to outline some thoughts about banging whores and one of the misperceived pitfalls associated with it: Pros in general are only slightly more reliable than hooking up with non-pros based solely off of attraction. Allow me to explain.

    I’ve hooked up with regular girls who are super reliable and usually on time, and who are willing to put up with a lot of shit and still put out. This isn’t generally the case, however. With whores you can rack up notches much more efficiently, but even then it takes a certain amount of practice getting these girls to come over. The issue is that you want to be careful not to get ripped off or in trouble with the law. I’m obviously talking about all this in the context that all of this is illegal and unregulated (not a brothel, though some chicks have pimps).

    I’ve had regulars (whores) who have flaked only to receive a text an hour after the agreed upon meeting with lame excuses about how their dog suddenly had an allergic reaction and need stat medical care. You know, the kind of shit some chick you’re boning on the side would come up with. I’ve even had pros just go ghost. This goes without saying but do not put a deposit down of more than 10-20%, just move on. With pros you already know I generally avoid that procedure altogether because of the flaking issue. I’ve only had it happen once where a new pro took my deposit and blocked me, so I learned from that experience.

    There is also the issue that a “verified” pro (whatever that means) is just some scammer in India trying to extort you out of money with threats of sending hitmen after you and exposing you to their family. This one made me laugh because I was using a fake number anyway and he thought he was slick by looking up who the number belonged to and coming back with a list of relatives and place of residence. I actually had fun trolling this guy before he gave up.

    With the previous point in mind keep in mind that most pros use iPhones. If you are also using an iPhone you can put the number into a new text field and verify if it is or not. I usually just weed out android because they are either scammers or some time of illegal agency pimping out Latin/Cuban/Russian chicks. They’ll never send you the girl in the photos. I know this from experience and research. If it’s an iPhone you can decide whether or not you want to use your real number and facetime with them to get an idea of their validity. However, if the chick is not quite up to par or there is a language barrier and you decide not to proceed, then there is a chance that the pro will get mad and leave you a bad review on an escort app. Pros will usually check number they’re texting and see if there are any prior complaints, which are often bogus but it will affect your success rate. Almost never do these hoes leave good reviews about a client or act as solid references. I know this because a whore I laid with said, “you know you have bad reviews, right?” She then proceeded to show me the app and was gracious enough to leave one good review.

    Another issue is that a lot of these chicks expect you to do most of the heavy lifting. For example, you’d best not have a one word or even one sentence introduction. It needs to make you sound safe and give a good amount of info up front about where you’re wanting to meet (don’t give your address up right away) and payment method. Don’t mention anything incriminating or use sex worker lingo. Just mention that you were impressed with their profile and would like to hang out for a half hour/hour or whatever at your place and give a general location of where you’re stationed, and that you have cashapp or zelle for gas money or something like that. The problem you’ll encounter here is that through all that you’ll be lucky to get a response along the lines of “yes” or “okay sounds good”. So, you’ll be forced to move things forward. You might inquire about facetiming and then book the chick if you like her. Even if they give you a deposit and hourly rate, they usually don’t provide payment options so you’ll be forced to probe for that information also. Once you’ve booked you can give your address and usually it’ll be fine, especially since you’re refusing to lay down big amounts of cash anyways.

    The above point amuses me because when some pros are like this, and if you resort to lazy replies or expect her to move the transaction along smoothly, then they’ll get frustrated and think you’re jerking them around and block you while maybe leaving you a bad review. Often times pros will fein availability, meanwhile they’re setting up multiple appointments and just drop you because something better comes along.

    Another thing to be aware of which I haven’t found a good strategy to mitigate is that some whores will get to your place and receive payment only to try and haggle you afterwards. I had one chick bring her duo buddy who I had refused to meet during the deal making process and insist that she stay in the living room while we messed around. I wasn’t worried about being robbed because I had a pet camera trained on her position in the living, so I reluctantly agreed. The whore then took payment and refused to do anything more than a handjob unless I “took care of her more”. The only way to really combat this is to have her whip out a titty and let you grope her or something before payment so you can confirm she’s not a cop, and then agree on terms explicitly before paying.

    Also, avoid pros that use keywords like “party” in their profile because they will show up on drugs and probably have drugs on them. They’r super annoying to deal with and not very discreet.

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