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  1. https://nypost.com/2024/08/22/lifestyle/i-quit-my-nyc-teacher-job-now-i-make-1k-at-hooters-in-2-days/

    “‘I was making $1,000 twice a month as an educator,’ Chavez, 32, a single mother of one, told The Post. “Now, I can make $1,000 in two days.'”

    “Chavez tendered her resignation from the Department of Education last spring — originally hoping to transition into software engineering.

    However, after undergoing six months of boot camp training in user experience design, and applying to over 500 positions within the field, she failed to secure serious employment.”

    1. The labor market in tech has gotten a lot tougher. While there are still a lot of unqualified women and minorities around, budgets are a lot tighter than they used to be. DIE quotas are also on the way out, so it does not surprise me that she could not land a job after a six-month “bootcamp”. A few years ago that route was promoted as being equivalent to if not better than a degree in Computer Science, but only if you are black or a woman.

      Her gig at Hooters clearly makes more sense than her teaching others, with her six-months of pseudo-experience in software engineering. At 32, however, time is not on her side. Let us hope she is able to save a lot of the money she is making instead of chasing instant gratification. That likely will not happen, though.

    2. I can’t figure out how Hooters is still around in the age of ubiquitous free hardcore porn. I assume the customer demographic is almost entirely boomers.

      The nimrod said one simp tipped her $300 after ordering a couple of $8 beers. If you have $300 to throw away in Brandon’s economy then just get on a sugar dating website and actually get something for your money for God’s sake. People like this are the problem and why we have so many nimrod females who think they’re entitled to free money merely for existing.

    3. Surely boomers keep Hooters afloat. Anyone below the age of 60 or so probably does not have the money and if they do, they know that they can get a lot more than $8 beers for $300. The positive aspect, however, is that there is not a lot of time left for Hooters. Maybe they will limp along for another ten or fifteen years, hiring some 40-year-old roasties so that boomers in their 70s have something to look at.

    4. @aj
      For the same reasons strip clubs are still around dude,
      The women are real and you can (almost) reach out and touch them.
      It’s the thrill of IRL.
      Altho if these were just a little bit smarter (just a bit) they’d take all that money they waste at the strip club , just find a hit hooker and pay her to strip first as an “extra” before the real thing.
      Dumb -asses.

    5. The real question is why are Simps throwing money at “cam girls” this is really really dumb, I cannot get my head around that. At all!
      The ultimate in stupidity.

    6. Can’t really drink and high five ya buddies at a brothel tho re above

      Unless you are in Thailand in a go go bar with the rooms upstairs.
      Man I love and miss Thailand 🇹🇭
      The Thai sex industry really have dialed in what men want with near German efficiency. 😃

      It is heaven on earth Thailand.
      I want to be a retired Ex Pat with my own beach bar in Thailand some day. And live the dream on Aussie pension money.
      Those expats really have the economics figured out there. It’s a no brainer for me,
      Heaven.

      Until the Tsunami comes that is. 🌊

  2. I found some active pickup forums! Whoop,
    So suave /skilled seducer forums
    Sleazy ur old wingman Teevster is still there he is a “Tribal Leader “ 👍
    And
    R/seduction :Game Global on reddit,
    They may have a Melbourne hub also so I can find a “wing” IRL to practice my awesome street pickup ‘Game’ whoo hoo,

    100 cold approaches per day is my goal LOL 😝

    With some weirdo Indian virgin probably as my new wingman! haha
    We gonna stalk the streets for ‘Bobs & Vagene ‘.

    Very exite I Liiike !

    Maybe I plan a trip to Scandinavia to get coaching from this Teevster fella .. he can show me the super secrets of “sexual framing” that ‘the playas don’t want u to know ‘ .. 🤔

  3. Female careerism, one of Satan’s greatest accomplishments:
    https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2024/08/29/a-woman-dies-at-her-desk-and-is-found-four-days-later-says-volumes-about-our-society-n2178686

    Meanwhile, I heard an unconfirmed story that Heels Up and Mostly Peaceful have promised free Costco memberships for all SNAP recipients. Basically, they realized there’s a place where middle class whites can go to escape enrichment, and are determined to stamp it out. Say it with me, class: They. Want. You. Dead.

    That said, every Costco I’ve ever been in has been swarming with fatassed Boomers who are unusually rude even for their generation, and nearly every Boomer I know is a rabid Feels Up/Heels Up voter, so I say let ’em have it.

  4. Aaron,
    Can a 30 or 40 year old Chad who is “broke” financially still get one night stands or have casual sex, or are women cautious about dropping their panties to a Chad who has not achieve any financial success?

    1. This is definitely possible. In your 30s, if you are in great shape, plenty of women will still eagerly jump on your dick. I know a few Chads in their 40s, but all guys who do quite well for themselves. They get plenty of young pussy. One of them told me that he recently banged a 17-year-old, which is legal in his country. As they never position themselves as providers, their net worth does not play much of a role. In fact, if you are in your 40s, financially comfortable, and get women to have one-night stands with you, this shows that the women were not primarily motivated by money. Otherwise, the moment they figured out that you are doing well, they would put you on the provider track, which does not include wild sex one or two hours after meeting them.

    2. Yes. 👍
      In my OD profiles my age is either 36 or 38. recently added some fake pics up of a Chads body , a topless shot buff with a six pack, and next my head but blurred out a bit, and stated height as 6’2”.

      It was depressing how straightforward the chicks were interacting with me after this . No games no stupid questions etc etc just the basics re logistics and all positive.

  5. Here is an important question here, how do you leverage your money without being seen as a provider for women? I know this is hypothetical for me but it’s something to think about. I’m looking at a total salary with a “2” in it this year and I’m in the Midwest US.

    1. If you travel to places where money-hungry women go, you should probably be able to bang a few. While it is true that plenty of these gold-diggers will play the long game, there are women around who will fuck you quickly, hoping to lock you down with the power of their pussy. You are probably going to get a much better bang for the buck, pun intended, by going on a trip to Pattaya, though.

    2. That’s a hard one. My friend used to do this in a funny way -always carried 5 hundred dollar bills in his wallet and “flashed the cash” at the bar when ordering drinks , I think he took them out and fanned on the counter top even. he claimed the girls watching at the bar pay attention and it got him more one night stands.that was his story anyway I didn’t see the evidence myself of the results. I think women would see through it as “try hard” myself,
      But you will have the funds to buy chicks plenty of booze and get them drunk enough to bang perhaps.

      The obvious ‘leverage ‘ will be it will allow you access to high end $uper-hot escort$ . Maybe that’s the real leverage. Top quality hookers 🤷🏻‍♂️
      You could maybe get some ex celebrity/ actress off OnyFans ?

      It’s a bit of a conundrum that one leveraging money to get women – any way you do it puts u in the provider frame more or less by default of the flash of cash.

    3. I would pay for hot escorts any day over buying drinks to girls at bars. The former ensures you have sex, the latter doesn’t guarantee anything because her friends may drag her away after noticing she is about to “commit a mistake”. And we are not yet talking about cockblock and opportunists who jump right in to steal your girls

    4. CVQ- yes hot hookers would be the most straightforward way to leverage money to get sex. But sex with hookers gets old pretty fast.
      As it’s all an act tbh,

      It’s basically like fucking a porno star with the put on ‘Ooo’s and Ahhh’s’.

      After a spell a guy would want to fuck a real chick who is actually into the sex (hopefully)

    5. CVQ- yes hot hookers would be the most straightforward way to leverage money to get sex. But sex with hookers gets old pretty fast.
      As it’s all an act tbh,

      It’s basically like fucking a porno star with the put on ‘Ooo’s and Ahhh’s’.

      It seems this aspect has not been touched or has been mentioned at the margin on Sleazy’s blog.

      Since you have been having sex over a decade, what flavour of sex do you enjoy most?

    6. Tbh the real way to leverage money to get more chicks and not be seen as a provider would be as follows

      – get leg extension surgery ( ?if possible)
      – hire some famous personal trainer and get ripped in a year , and get a 6 pack
      – get a tan
      – get a hair transplant ( if necessary)
      – buy a flash new wardrobe
      – bang a bunch of hot hookers to get more sex skills and experience
      – get a penis enlargement ( if necessary 😉)
      – other (?)

      Alternatively – just take a 2 week bootcamp with Mystery to learn his amazing “ Game” … ! Jk 😉 😆

      That’s all I can think of.
      The penis enlargement may be enough haha.
      ‘Word of mouth’ will get around then and do the work for ya!

    7. If you only want to bang chicks you can skip all of that and just pay for it, though. You could bang five hookers a day for years in Thailand and probably would not even get close to the total cost of all your suggestions.

    8. CQV- it’ll be coming up to THREE decades now soon buddy!

      And the answer is … vaginal sex. 😛

      The other kind is much harder to negotiate!

      But seriously, nah I’m all about the 3-ways theses day if I can get them 👍 More is more in this sphere for me 😬

    9. @James
      You may want to read this piece from Assanova:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20101112060407/http://www.realassanova.com/2010/03/failure-of-secution-community.html

      If you want to seek out easy sex with exceptions to the rule, you better hurry to places where they frequently go to.

      I personally find your recent strategy of posting fake pictures to be, to put it mildly, not effective. It is not like those women have no brains to presume that many guys on there post fake photos.

      In your forties, you does not seem to have much options due to not having no great jobs and have no killer body. Maybe you should look at yourself hard to find out what prospects are waiting for you.

    10. CQV – I’ve read Assanovas archive in the past after reading Sleazy recommending it. It’s good stuff.

      Re the fake pictures. This was a little jumping the gun on my part . My original pics were pretty bad , and I was making the mistake of thinking exactly what Assanova talks about in that piece ( women are up for sex as quickly/ easily as men) as I’m very rusty after an LTR.

      I’ve revised my pics this week to be more normal so pausing on the catfish idea for now. No change in results yet from new pics we shall see. OD can be slow and uses algorithms also.

      Re the other points
      “It is not like those women have no brains to presume that many guys on there post fake photos.”

      You would be very surprised CQV at how gullible chicks can be – note the success of the Tinder Swindler and co , for solid proof.
      I have often told chicks pure bullshit and they reply “ wow ! really?” and I have to tell them “ no I was joking I thought it was obvious”.
      *some* as as susceptible to con-game as men when it comes to mating and “Love” .
      There’s many many examples of this IRL.

      “In your forties, you does not seem to have much options due to not having no great jobs and have no killer body. Maybe you should look at yourself hard to find out what prospects are waiting for you.”

      I know where I am at and accept my position,
      I am just looking for lays atm I don’t know what the future holds for now.

      But what’s my alternative ? Hit the gym hard in my mid 40s and get a 6 pack ? Get back into corporate ( which I hate) and earn double ( ?maybe)…

      I don’t want another relationship for another 2 years at least .
      I’ll stick to con-game / The Game for now.

      ‘It works if you work it! ‘ as they say in certain sectors . And it does work just takes time to learn the strategies. Best from a sneaky mentor IME.

      CQV have you ever read the Art Of Seduction by Robert Greene ? That’s about 500 pages of manipulation strategy and lessons from throughout history, it’s still valid today.

      Both men and women can be manipulated it’s just a different approach for women ( the mental game / ‘Love Con’ )

      Just comes down to ethics at the end of the day.

    11. Maybe I should just go all out Tinder-Swindler and run a Ponzi scheme on deez hoes. (Lol)

      But seriously , that guy was a sneaky genius in ways. He got laid and stole all their money to boot, those chicks went into $300K debt some of them .. for the potential of the big ‘Win’ of landing that guy. There’s all the proof you need that “ Game” works to all of you. I should have pointed this out previously and saved myself 1 million words. He took it to the extreme but he proved it !

    12. If you have read Assanova, you should remember his praise for women for being not stupid when facing players. From what I have learnt, men rarely manipulate women, but women who suffer from their own delusions, like, trying to turn a Chad around.

      Attractive guys don’t need to manipulate women, for women will see through your bullshits any day, except for the most naive and guillible.

      In fact believing in the power of manipulation is no different from believing in “create attraction”, for the consequence of that belief leads to the conclusion that all ugly men can manipulate their way through a woman. This implies our offsprings are from the most undesired men who could manipulate women.

      In case there are women who fall for your manipulation and trickery, you will soon find out that she is very unpleasant to be around. Normal women are not that receptive to your bullshits.

    13. CQV have you ever read the Art Of Seduction by Robert Greene ? That’s about 500 pages of manipulation strategy and lessons from throughout history, it’s still valid today.

      No, I don’t want to read it. If Sleazy releases a book specifying manipulative techniques by women, as a series of fun anecdotes, I will buy it.

      Green’s book on power is good in some parts, but I don’t find it amazing.

      I am a very honest guy so my concern is all about protecting myself from manipulation, and that is it.

    14. what’s my alternative ? Hit the gym hard in my mid 40s and get a 6 pack ? Get back into corporate ( which I hate) and earn double ( ?maybe)…

      What are you trying to aim for? Tight skin 20s who just want to fuck Rockstars? Or a young rural conservative girl who would shoot for a guy 6 feet tall?

      If you are in bad shape now, you would not get them.

      What are your alternatives?

      Women in her forties who have kids. Women in her thirties who frantically looks for a male
      Fat women

      Be realistic about what you can get. Manipulation won’t work.

      Hit the gym hard in my mid 40s and get a 6 pack ? Get back into corporate ( which I hate) and earn double ( ?maybe

      Yes, exactly that! If you want to get a girl in her thirties who is a yoga instructor and lives a healthy life, you should work on those things.

      I can tell that all your life you live rather recklessly and has loose morality. You reap what you sows

    15. CQV-

      “What are you trying to aim for? Tight skin 20s who just want to fuck Rockstars? Or a young rural conservative girl who would shoot for a guy 6 feet tall?

      If you are in bad shape now, you would not get them.“

      Well I won’t get girl B anyway dude I’m only 5’10”. Girl A would be great and plenty of them please.. of all varieties! 😃

      “ Women in her forties who have kids. Women in her thirties who frantically looks for a male
      Fat women”

      Early 30s may be achievable. Heck late 20s with low self esteem may even be achievable ! 👍

      “Be realistic about what you can get. Manipulation won’t work.“

      Re the above statement and your assertions ( based on the internet writings of one faceless player I might add ) please explain to me how the Tinder Swindler was successful in his Ponzi scheme/ Love Game operation on all those women who were his targets.

      Please. I’d love to hear the explanation.

      “I am a very honest guy so my concern is all about protecting myself from manipulation, and that is it.”

      I have terrible, terrible news for you re the above CQV …but it may blow your mind and the ground may shift beneath your feet .. so I’ll say nothing for now.

      And think about this – you are basing ur belief system on women reading the writings of 2 faceless players on the internet. Cos they have the “ real truth” apparently.

      Vs a best selling authors book of 500+ pages citing specific examples taken from throughout history going back thousands of years, Greenes books are brilliant imo.
      Reread them.

    16. Also CVQ – do u happen to have any of Assanovas older pickup/game books?
      U are aware he wrote some yeah back in the day?

      One has photos of him in it afaik of him in his pickup wear. I’m still tryna track it down. He was selling them through some old website but it’s not longer available.
      Fact!

    17. Re the above statement and your assertions ( based on the internet writings of one faceless player I might add ) please explain to me how the Tinder Swindler was successful in his Ponzi scheme/ Love Game operation on all those women who were his targets.

      That is not based on any guy. In Vietnam, it is even worse. Guys like you in his mid-40 with not great jobs and no great body GET ABSOLUTELY no asses, whatsoever.

      Maybe in the West, you can still have a chance.

      Girl A would be great and plenty of them please.. of all varieties!

      Sure, drop your phone down, quit Tinder and start to go to concert to see if you can get any, really.

      Vs a best selling authors book of 500+ pages

      Yeah that is right, best selling means great bible. You should believe it. You really do.

      I’m only 5’10

      Last time it was 5’11

    18. @CQV-
      “ That is not based on any guy. In Vietnam, it is even worse. Guys like you in his mid-40 with not great jobs and no great body GET ABSOLUTELY no asses, whatsoever”

      You have completely lost me now,

      Have a quick listen to this below re Assanova.

      (it’s only 7 minutes long)
      It may have a message in it for you 😉
      Just copy and paste into your browser should work.
      Pretty funny also I thought

      voca.ro/1kgdA11iAjn1

      👍

    19. It may have a message in it for you

      You don’t even dare to use your own voice and use a voice distortion.

    20. That IS my own voice bro?
      I just distorted it myself .. to add disguise and a bit of humour 😉
      You should be happy I took time out of my day to send you a personalised message.
      Did it make any sense to you my message about the Irony of your position re ‘shortcuts’?

      Don’t post me links to Assanovas archive dude,
      I read the whole thing years ago pretty much,
      It’s kinda irrelevant – I’m debating you, not the fabled Assanova.

      Altho why I’m debating a virgin on the internet about the ‘what strategies actually work to pickup chicks’ is a bigger concern tbh.

      You have net sum zero real world experience or data.

    21. Hey CQV

      I just finally found and downloaded all of Assanovas
      Old books! And read them today!!

      Holy shit,
      They are dead-set , solid-gold top shelf pickup bibles.

      With pictures of him inside!!! 😱😱😱

      And with step by step instructions pretty much in a few parts on how exactly he approaches and does and pickup. And all the banter and questions etc. etc

      😮 😳 😯

      I literally can’t believe I’ve found them after all these years of searching every corner of the web.

      I feel like I’ve just found the mythical The Ark Of The Covenant
      and uncovered The Holy Grail inside, 🏆

      Yes!! 💪 💪 💪

    22. @Sleazy

      “If you only want to bang chicks you can skip all of that and just pay for it, though. You could bang five hookers a day for years in Thailand and probably would not even get close to the total cost of all your suggestions.“

      Yes he could well go to Pattaya and do this.
      But he would soon find after 5 days and 25 of them it gets old pretty fast,
      It’s all fake and a game after all.
      Thai hookers can be quite annoying – some even turn their around every 15 min and say “ you feenish?” . It really kills the vibe 😆
      Once a guy has banged a few hot ones it’s “same-same” as they say there.

      We used to observe these tourist guys who take a bar girl travelling with them to the islands for the “ girlfriend experience” – it was painful to watch them at the restaurant. Her stuffing her face with the free food and bossing him around like a Wife. Him looking cuckholded already,
      And the girls usually speak only a bit of English so the convos are painful to listen to also, “poor bastards “we used to comment,

      As backpackers on a budget we would just try to fuck the other euro traveller girls. But the competition is high. Lots of travelling Chads to contend with.

      Some of these male types mentioned above have an equivalent female type – who shack up with a young fit Thai ‘beach boy” gigalos. quite interesting to see this.

      There are also the flat out old sex tourists and paedophiles observable. The very old holding the hands of the very young. Much worse int eh neighbouring countries this. 🤢

      I think for the OP it’s some kind of medical (?) procedure to become more attractive if he’s not great looking ? Or just buy great clothes to up his SMV. A great personal trainer also to get the good body. Maybe some tattoos on top then also. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    23. CQV – my axe to grind is that I have a possible virgin (?) on the internet telling me ‘what’s up’. about how to pick up women . And saying I must be a fraud for claiming I have slept with a few IRL. Obviously.

      Have u gone to HCMC to bang a hooker yet and if not, why not. What are u so scared of .
      Just wear a rubber.

  6. I’m posting on the SoSuave /skilledSeducer forums atm. Some guy just told me “ dude! Believe it ,women are are JUST as interested in your personality as your looks!” .
    Oh my.

    And apparently some other dude named Ricardus is pulling actual Models even tho he is “not good looking”.. methinks this Ricardus is 6’5” tall and a DJ or some such.
    If not just a total bullshitting Dreamer.

    Also Chase Amante has cracked the code of “Looks Are Not That Important” by showing that Clooney , Pitt and Michael B Jordan all had had only average looking girlfriends .. (lmao).

    This Chase character looks like a greasy haired geek with a shitty beard. that probably lays fatties if he gets any pussy at all.

    oh the LOLs. It’s all great fun over there.

    Aw man I’m spewing I missed out on the era of PUA-Hate forum. That shit was too funny from my reading through on the web archive . 😢 that Barry Kirkey was a funny mofo with all the good gossip.

    Whatever happened that guy. Hope he’s still doing comedy he was talented.

    1. If you are looking for quick funs or one night stands then your body is the only thing that speaks for yourself.

      If you are looking for dates and a girlfriend prospect then your personality will matter.

      As usual, people mix up short and long-term attraction. In Vietnamese, we say: You pluck the beard of a man and attach it to the chin of a woman.

    2. Ha! I have not heard of that expression.

      Well CQV personality does matter but only *after* Looks tbh.

      Depends on what league a guy is playing in.
      If a guy ain’t tall , he ain’t getting Models. Period. regardless of his amazing personality that was my point. Unless he has bags and bags of that sweet cash and Status to ‘trade’ his Value for her Looks.

      Tbh in long term mating, Natures ‘rule of attraction’ cannot really be broken and that rule is ‘ Like Attracts Like’.
      That’s really the cardinal rule, observed playing out in LTRs especially.

      Tbh there are theories of facial similarity also for attraction.
      This can be observed IRL and many examples found just googling it with celebs etc,

      Something to do with advancement and caretaking of the genes is the Evolutionary theory afaik.
      I’ve noticed this many times IRL where GF & BF almost look like they could be brother and sister they’re so similar in the facial geometry.

    3. @James
      You have read enough theoretical treatises on love and sex. It’s time to put them to use.

      When I am out having fun, I seriously care nothing about those things you said. Game is as much about preparation as execution.

    4. CQV – so how are you doing with the ladies when you are out having fun?
      I know how to put them to use CQV but I am old and I can’t do clubs and pubs sober. It’s only social circle for me now. Or OD, or con-game or finally hookers. I’m ok with that.

      Re this
      “If you are looking for quick funs or one night stands then your body is the only thing that speaks for yourself”

      You’re forgetting money and status.I assumed you were black pill have u forgotten those?

      So You can be the tall good looking guy, or the drug dealer or the DJ or a bad-boy or in a band or even the bouncer cleaning up at the end of the night. You can be multiple guys with perceived status. Hey you could even feasibly be a smooth talking taxi driver ( a stretch and risky but probable with drunk chicks from what I’ve heard)

      Depends on what ethics u run with.

      It depends on what is YOUR definition of “ Game” and “success” is. Even that word has multiple definitions adding the the confusion of it all.

      Game is preparation and execution both – correct.

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