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  1. Fauci admits that all those Covid mandates only exist to make your life uncomfortable so that you will submit to getting the vaxx:
    This confirms another “conspiracy theory”. On that note, today I saw a meme that stated that conspiracy theories are nothing more than “spoiler warnings”. By and large, this seems to be true.

  2. We discussed that hospitals do not distinguish between people who die “with” or “from” Covid, and there is also the problem that hospitalization numbers are dodgy as people who go to the hospital for any reason are counted as Covid cases. Well, this is now acknowledged by the mainstreasm:
    It seems that fact checkers are going to work overtime today to update the narrative.

    1. An acquaintance of mine just got to El Salvador. Said he loves the weather, and that it’s been pretty easy to pay for ish with BTC so far. He’s only reported to me on San Salvador at this point. Hoping to hear more specific things about El Zonte soon.

    2. I am reading a lot of good things about El Salvador. If you do not mind, I would love to hear what your acquaintance has to say about El Zonte.

    3. No, Singapore is currently not on our list. Their Covid measures are ridiculous. Also, their vaccination rates are close to 100%. Asian autism is a real problem, and in the case of SG, their elites do not just want to follow their copy of the WEF playbook to the letter but exceed their their performance metrics. Kids wear masks, you need to wear a mask even outside, the unvaxxed can no longer enter shopping malls or offices, and so on.

      Countries we have researched include:
      – Poland (even though it is in the EU it is most likely to reject overreaching EU mandates)
      – Portugal (we considered renting a place there and were already in conversation with a contact of a friend of mine to rent a house; yet, then their elites imposed further lockdowns despite a very high vaxx rate so we changed our mind)
      – Austria (only if the vaxx mandate does not go through; the Austrians are a resistant bunch of people)
      – Switzerland (not high on the list; the situation would have to improve. I would also need to find a local job due to cost-of-living differences.)
      – Germany (only the countryside; not an option for the time being as the elites are pushing for a universal vaxx mandate)
      – Taiwan (you need to quarantine to enter but the Covid rules are not uniformly enforced; some parts of the country are very appealing for us; in our top 3)
      – Vietnam (Saigon; seems like a workable solution; I am waiting for the country to open up. It is in our top 3)
      – Albania (seems like a backwater with a very slow pace of life; not even credit cards are common so chances of a vaxx pass being enforced are slim to none; drops in and out of our top 3)
      – Thailand (visas seem expensive compared to other options but the country is seemingly expat-friendly)
      – Bali/Indonesia (not sure what to think of it)

      I have also looked into South America, i.e. El Salvador, Brazil, Argentina, and Nicaragua. We have concerns about safety, though. I am keeping an open mind but I remain reserved. Note that I have spoken to people from Brazil who very much encouraged me to go there. I once even ended up talking to a guy from Mexico, via work, who wanted to sell me on his country and remarked that I only need to know where the unsafe areas area, and I would be fine. Amusingly, he considered this to be a convincing argument.

    4. I don’t know about Albania the country, but covid never “existed” and no rules were ever enforced or applied to Albanian parts of cities in other countries.

    5. This is good to know. My wife researched Albania extensively and she seems rather fond of the idea of living there at least for a while. Language would of course be a bit problem, but there seems to be a small and growing expat community in Tirana.

    6. Aaron, in terms of safety and South America, I wonder if Argentina is really that concerning. If I’m not mistaken, I recently remember looking at a graph of Argentina’s demographics. It showed 89% European with Spanish (I think) being the predominant of that percentage, and people of German descent being approximately 1/4 of it. However, wasn’t Argentina one of those countries where videos were coming out of people being held down and forced vaxx a good while back? Obviously I’m not real sure of any of this, and those videos I referred to could very well be taken out of context or even in a different country altogether. In any case, if the demographics are correct then I’d imagine Argentina being relatively safe compared to other South American countries.

    7. Any genuine pockets of whites are probably quite safe. Then again, gang crime is a reality, and kidnappings do happen in South America. In contrast, Asians are comparatively meek.

    8. I just went to the “Demographics of Argentina” wikipedia page, and according to the UAEM 85% of ethnic grouping is “white”. I saw some other charts alluding to a significant portion of that white population having some pretty significant mestizo admixture. But have you heard of the German towns in Argentina called La Cumbrecita and Bariloche (!)? If not, I bet you’d find these places to be pretty interesting to look in to at the very least.

    9. I have not heard of those. Argentina is in a pretty bad shape, so we did not extensively look into this country. On a similar note, there are German enclaves also in Brazil, for instance Blumenau. From what I gather, ethnicity is largely self-reported and due to whites having a higher status, a lot of people self-identify as such, similar to how Elizabeth Warren identifies as a Native American.

    10. I’m distraught by the Covid hyper-dystopia that Singapore has become. I have to make peace with probably never seeing my octogenarian grandmother again, and that has been difficult for me to do. There is an absurd level of micromanagement (eg. eateries can’t play music since it might make people speak louder to be heard– I can go on and on with examples of stupid rules), petty law enforcers, and persecution of the unjabbed. It was most recently announced that you have to be jabbed to get a work pass as well as renew it. The unjabbed will also not be allowed to enter workplaces from early next year. The govt won’t be on your side if you’re terminated by your employer as a result. It’s pretty much no jab = no job unless you have the means to work remotely.

      Perhaps the worst thing for me is that they’re going after the children at younger and younger ages. It has been signalled (by the Prime Minister’s wife who is on the board of Wellcome Leap) that jabs will be made available for 6 months to 2-year-olds next year. I expect unjabbed children to be locked out of society, just like the unjabbed adults, in time to come.

      I stopped making excuses for the govt a long time ago. I used to try interpreting their measures in a good light and gave them the benefit of the doubt. But it’s just gotten too ridiculous.

    11. Taiwan appeals to me for obvious cultural reasons. We could live somewhere rural and homeschool (or not– it’s just important to have the option). They’re also very agriculturally productive as a country. They have a painful 15-day quarantine and are quite anal about testing, positive cases, and mask-wearing in public, but for the cultural environment and familiarity I’d be willing to put up with it over a country like Vietnam which has these measures too. The spectre of US-China conflict over TW doesn’t disturb me enough to be a deterrent.

      Albania would be a better option than Taiwan from the perspective of not just technology but also having almost no BS Covid measures. They have a much lower vax rate and there’s no 5G in the country either (check out Much more of an under-the-radar place to be to ride out the next few years. The downside to it would be the lack of natural community for us. And well, when you have kids that’s quite a significant consideration…

    12. Is paying someone to get you the shot out of the question? Or is that still considered submitting to the beast system?

    13. This still means that you are playing along. I am all for resisting this satanic system.

    14. @Sleazy’s Wife you mentioned “obvious cultural reasons”. If it’s not too much trouble, I’d enjoy reading your characterizations of the various Asian cultures of which you’re comfortable giving your perspective.

    15. “I have also looked into South America, i.e. El Salvador, Brazil, Argentina, and Nicaragua”

      Yarara and I had a chat some time ago. He might be able to provide more perspective.

      Costa Rica is very safe, once you’re away from San Jose. (Even then, I doubt it’s worse than Paris or Berlin). Costa Rica aims to go what the Germans call “1G”, but there’s pushback from the already beaten down tourism industry. I hardly believe anybody will enforce anything. It’s a country of many laws and very little enforcement.

      Check out San Isidro El General. Fantastic place. I have pictures still blow me away when I look at them

    16. @Aaron and wife: don’t come to Nicaragua. I mean, if a staunch anti-Covid-shot like me has actually seriously considered moving to vaxx-tyranny in Europe just for better economic prospects, that’s all I need to tell you. I mean yes, there are opportunities to be taken for “cheles” (“whities”) from abroad who come with enough capital to buy good property in strategic places, but will they still be there a few years down the road? I don’t know. Plus, the current status quo of economic decadence could possibly be nice compared to the eventual collapse of the country once Ortega dies and a power vacuum ensues.

      I can’t exactly vouch for El Salvador or Costa Rica, but they’re definitely better options. Yes, safety-wise they can’t be worse than any major capital in Europe.

    17. It is good that you guys bring up safety in European capitals. As you live in a big city, you simply learn to live with crime and violence. Concretely, this means that you avoid large parts of the city or perhaps you do not even leave the house at night. Yet, this does not make the city you live in objectively safer. You simply adjust to your environment. Probably the same would be true for El Salvador or Costa Rica. I mean, in Berlin gang blow up ATMs or some thugs may pull a gun on you, escorting you to the nearest bank, and those stories do not even make front-page news. Junkies may break into your apartment building, in a prime real estate area, shoot dope, and pass out. The situation is pretty bad in Europe, so we are probably much closer to South American circumstances than, say, Western Europe in 1900.

    18. Aaron,
      Do you guys have sanctuary cities in Europe? We have those here in California, and sanctuary cities tend to have higher crime rates than non-sanctuary cities. A lot of the crimes in sanctuary cities are committed by illegal immigrants. Interesting enough, most native people who were born and raised here refuse acknowledge that illegal immigrants commit more crimes than native born people.

    19. Every city is a sanctuary city in Europe, it seems. It is exceedingly rare that illegal immigrants get kicked out. Also, from what I gather, most countries in Europe grant freedom of movement to those illegal immigrant, which has the effect that they gather in the big cities. I think the biggest influx is to Germany, Britain, France, Sweden, and the UK, for obvious reasons, and the big cities are all quite dangerous, especially for women. In Sweden, plenty of rapes happen also on the countryside as the government believes in equal opportunity and moved their newly arrived doctor-engineers even into relatively remote corners. Indeed, it is acknowledged government policy to break up pockets of white segregation. You are not safe anywhere.

    20. @Herkerderker

      The Japanese are the superior Asian race and fully deserving of the title in my opinion. I cannot say that the other East Asian races have achieved their level of refinement and standards. They have rules and norms for the tiniest details, like how a traditional folding door should be opened and closed. A friend used to work in a Japanese office and he had to wear black or white socks depending on the room he was in due to dirt visibility. The best milk that Aaron has tasted comes from Japan, which says a lot coming from a dairy-inhaling German ^^

      South Korea is ridiculously obsessed with looking and dressing the same way as what’s trendy. I heard a Korean woman who said she didn’t have the freedom to just go out in flip flops due to the judgement she’ll get. A friend spent a semester in Seoul and she felt pressured to wear make-up every day as everyone else was doing so; she genuinely thought her social life would be adversely affected if she didn’t. It’s very different from ensuring you look presentable. I think the country is consumerist and lookist in a spiritually-sapping kind of way. Even the children being brought up in that environment get influenced to be like that from a very young age.

      As for China, however far they’ve climbed economically over the last few decades, their people have a long way to go in behaving civilised. I once invited an upper class Chinese friend to my home and brewed us some chrysanthemum tea (her dad has a top job in a huge Chinese corporation). I happened to be using a paper bag as my rubbish bin then, so obviously I couldn’t throw the wet flowers into it. To my surprise she suggested that I flush them down the toilet bowl :O Technically doable? Yes. Civilised? Errr, no.

      I feel affection for Taiwan and a lot more comfortable at the thought of attempting to live there, than in China (even my ancestral home where I still have some distant relatives and the local culture should be the most familiar to me out of all of China). The Taiwanese are known for being warm and more laidback. Their Mandarin is also the nicest-sounding of all the Middle Kingdom. Mainland Chinese just speak too quickly and are too brusque (though I’m arguably too soft to jostle with them). Human life almost seems…insignificant and undignified in China due to their vast population and intense competition. I think the above friend shared a dorm with 15 other girls during her high school days.

      Is what you were looking for? I hope so!

    21. @Sleazy’s Wife: you’re not exactly confirming my “dog-eaters” stereotype for continental Chinese, but if the upper echelons of society behave as you say, you’re not dispelling it either. LOL

      You only need to take a cursory glance at K-pop music and Korean pop culture in general to see what you’re describing about the country. Their celebrities are supposedly more surgically enhanced than in California, imagine that.

    22. @Sleazy’s Wife Very much so! Thanks for that.

      I wonder if the superiority of Japan comes due to how they treat face. A face saving culture will necessarily be dishonest. As an American, I fancy my ancestors as having a culture of truth before face regardless of cost to use Curt Doolittle’s language. I’ve heard Japan is the stark opposite of face saving, and that they will almost apologize too profusely, and go out of their way to make restitution that can almost make one feel uncomfortable. Obviously, the Japanese have a better approach than face saving, but I suppose the ideal is simply acknowledging you fucked up, and behaving as rationally as you can to unfuck it.

  3. I just came across this chart of Covid “conspiracy theories” that are now all acknowledged as being true:

  4. Ok, so even if you maximize LMS, there’s only so much you can do when you keep pushing 40 and then 50 (I’m 32 BTW). Childless prime age girls with options won’t have you as their first option unless they have daddy issues, are looking for a sugar daddy, or you’re a proper Chad.

    Do you think certain subset of single moms COULD be wife material? I mean, let’s say they’re 18, only one child, one sexual partner and no serious vices? I’ve always abhorred the idea of raising another man’s child but, as I said, options.

    1. No. A single mom is either disloyal or possesses terrible judgment or both. A widow is different. I’d have no issue pairing off with a widow if she was fertile and mentally stable.

    2. I was afraid so. But damn, there are some incredibly appealing teen/early 20’s moms out there. At that age, pregnancy and childbirth barely leave a mark on their bodies unless they’re absolute slobs. Mind you, some of them do live up to the “MTV Teen Mom” stereotype of complete trainwrecks, but not all of them.

      You could also add the caveat of young single moms whose children are the product of rape, though 1) they’re total outliers even though of course the public gets another impression by the notoriety of these cases, and 2) they’re sadly scarred for life when it comes to sex.

    3. I know quite a few acquintances who got hot 20 year-olds at 50. Only status, not chads. In fact, come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve met a 50 year old high-status dude who didn’t get a hot 20-25 year old.

      Do note that most high-status 50 year olds are with older women because they married young before they got the status. However, from the ones that stayed a bachelor in order to build up status, I don’t think I’ve seen any that didn’t get a hot younger chick.

    4. I have a few friends and acquaintances in their mid-30s who are pondering about whether to get a girlfriend to settle down with. I think men at that age, or even in your early 30s, like you, should seriously think about this question. At that age, you can still get women in their mid-to-late 20s, or even early 20s. Also, I think at some point you should make that decision and stick to it. Another friend of mine is in his early 40s and he has been going back and forth on the question of having kids for probably a decade now but the longer he waits, the more his options will dwindle. Of course, unlike a woman, a man can still have kids even in his 40s, 50s, or later.

    5. @Alek, when you speak of “high status dudes” in their 40’s or 50’s, you make me think of guys like this:
      Not necessarily movie stars, but closer to that than most. Of course, there’s much ground in between, but even with a guy like that, a total Chad with money, there’s a transactional element in his relationships, let alone for guys with lesser looks or status.

      @Aaron: yes, I’m especially concerned not only about the dwindling options, but also about eventually being a lousy parent just because I had them too late and not having the energy in my 50’s or 60’s to deal with a teenager. Peers who had kids in his early 20’s or even younger kind of pressure me about that and give me that reason, but it’s not that I’m succumbing to peer pressure, it’s just that they kind of have a point.

      Right now I’m supposedly with this 19 yo girl. 2 dates, no banging so far and since she says she’s a virgin (I believe her), it might take a while (though I’ve reached like 1st or 2nd base more or less) and, as is always the case these days with girls that age, they want to wait god knows how many years to have a child. That factor cannot be neglected, unless you’re lucky to find a total trad.

    6. I think the West has created the teenager problem out of thin air. As little as 70 or 80 years ago, we did not have teenagers take drugs, engage in premarital sex, or spray graffiti. Going back even further, you can find reports of 14 year old girls marrying and being reliable mothers and wives, and boys learning a trade. Thus, I think that with proper upbringing, your teenage daughter will not be a whore, just like your teenage son will not be a delinquent.

    7. Alek, when you speak of “high status dudes” in their 40’s or 50’s, you make me think of guys like this:

      Lol fuck no. The guys I am talking about are nowhere near that dude. Like 1/100th of that dude you pointed to. I mean things like a respected university professor, small business owner, surgeon with some level of recognition in a community. Stuff like that.

      But even with a guy like that, a total Chad with money, there’s a transactional element in his relationships, let alone for guys with lesser looks or status.

      Here’s a red-pill that’s going to blow you away. All relationships on this planet are transactional. If you think a girl likes you “for you”, then I have a bridge on mars to sell you.

      What does it even more for a girl to like you for you? Do you mean your unique quirks? What kind of fantasy do you even have in your head where you think it’s possible to get a girl in a non-transactional way?

      When girls choose a younger (still has no status guy), its for one of only two possible reasons:

      1) His looks. In which case she’s not into HIM as a person. She’s into his facial genes, and wants to secure that genetic material for selfish reasons, that is so her children have better genes. Is that less transactional than being attracted to you for status, which is because she wants high-status genes for her child?

      2) Or, if he’s not amazingly hot, It’s because she chose him for his FUTURE status. She wouldn’t be with him if her prediction is that he’ll never make it and will never have status

    8. C’mon @Alek, I’ve been reading this blog and all its Open Threads for years, that’s not gonna blow me away, ha.

      You’re right of course, but when I said “transactional”, I meant “MS has much more weight than L”. I recently “befriended” a 21 yo girl who’s totally into dudes 20+ years older based on looks (not that status doesn’t matter to her of course), but I’d say she must be in a small minority. And there are definitely some daddy issues involved, LOL.

    9. You’re right of course, but when I said “transactional”, I meant “MS has much more weight than L”.

      I still have no clue what that means.

      If a woman exchanges her fertility in exchange for your high status, which will benefit her offspring
      >> this is less transactional than if
      A woman exchanges her fertility for your facial genes which will benefit her offspring?

      It’s transactional either way. It’s 100% transactional in both cases. You’re just using a different currency, but it is still the same transaction.

    10. “It’s 100% transactional in both cases. You’re just using a different currency”

      Yes, but the L currency gets you more lusty, porn-like sex, as you’ve succintly pointed out before. 😀

      The word “transactional” has a pecuniary connotation, that’s what I had in mind, but we’re not in real disagreement here.

    11. Yes, but the L currency gets you more lusty, porn-like sex, as you’ve succintly pointed out before. ?

      Yes it does, however I thought you were talking about:

      – The same guy at 25 and low status
      – The same guy at 50 with high status

      For example… a 25 year old beta programmer with future potential earning ability isn’t getting lusty porn-like-sex. In fact, if he becomes wealthy and high-status at 45 he’s more likely to get it than his dorky 25 year old self.

      He doesn’t cause more lust at his low-status 25-year-old-self by the mere fact that he’s younger than his 45 year old (but high-status) version of himself. Make sense?

    12. Put differently. You would need to be a chad at 25-30, and somehow lose your chaddiness with age so that you end up with that kind of situation… where your 30 year old self gets porn-like sex, but your 45-year-old self doesn’t.

      For non-chads, their 20s don’t involve “lusting for his chad genes” type of sex anyway. So there’s nothing to lose. Any girl that shows interest in an average guy, it’s because she’s trying to secure a future provider. So there isn’t much to lose.

      If you are a chad however, I can see how it is a good idea to capitalize on it before you lose it. But if you never had it, there is nothing to lose.

    13. @Manuel

      There is a large age gap between me and Aaron (16 years) and honestly, I had some difficulty accepting it initially. I still feel a little sheepish when the topic comes up in conversation with other people. So yes you are spot on about prime age girls not wanting someone so much older. Among my friends, the next largest age gap between them and their partner is 8 years.

      In my case I was reeled in before I found out about Aaron’s age. He looked young, didn’t talk like an old man, and we met in a university setting so I had no reason to think he wasn’t comfortably older than me. Then because I liked him so much already, learning about his age later on didn’t become a dealbreaker (though still hard).

      As for having children, I wasn’t super trad on this. But nevertheless I felt ready at a young age (23) because I genuinely thought I had led a very productive, fun and fulfilled life up to that point. I had so much fun in school and with my friends from school (old friendships I still keep), got to travel, and also had varied work experiences (public sector, private sector, and working for myself). I didn’t have a bucket list of things I still wanted to chase, or the desire to “find myself”, before settling down. Plus I always wanted children so it was merely about bringing forward the timeline. My brief taste of work also helped me to appreciate staying at home and just busying with the domestic. I genuinely feel pity for working mothers of young children.

      What does your young gf want to do before having kids? If it’s work, let her have a taste of the working world. Point out to her all the corporate BS, frustrating politics, and how unhappy the unhitched older women look. If it’s travel, let her get it out of her system if she can do so without sleazing it up.

      At 32 I think you’re in a prime window where the Sweet Young Things won’t find you too old yet, assuming that you’ve achieved the M and S to be a good provider. Hit 35 and you teeter into “too old”.

    14. @Alek: nicely explained, as always.

      Just one observation: thanks to assortative mating, I presume, and luckily for lots of men, average un-chadlike guys can get girls who are very much into them, just not a whole lot of girls.

      You might say that they have some Chad-like features, jaw, etc., but they’re not the whole package, that’s what I mean.

    15. @Sleazy’s Wife, thanks for the reply! You’ve given me a lot of thought, and yes, I need to improve my M&S before I reach 35.

      The girlfriend feels study comes first before everything, and stressing for things other than college isn’t worth the tears. Yeah, I’m still on the fence about her, she might decide she doesn’t to be tied down to a relationship in a few months after all. But I’ll keep trying, she seems like a good girl. Though after my last experience, where my ex started ghosting me when her actual boyfriend came home to propose to her after years of not seeing each other, may Zeus’ lightning strike me if I ever trust a woman again. LOL

    16. @Manuel

      Oh yikes, so sorry to hear that about your ex… Is your gf an undergrad? It might be reflective of a positive trait if she wants to focus on her studies, not that it helps your goals necessarily. I think I had quite a different outlook at 21 compared to 19, even though that’s only 2 years later. Uni was quite intense for me and brought about many changes. If I had met Aaron at 19 I don’t think we could’ve worked out.

      I have a Singaporean acquaintance who at 18 or 19, got serious with a guy 10 years older. He was her first and only bf and they are married with 2 kids so it’s a happy ending. But they’re both Christians, have lots of mutual friends through the church, he’s from a much wealthier family background than her, etc. So all those other factors made it work. I think the community factor is quite important in helping couples stay together, particularly when there are reasons to suggest that a couple might not be the best fit to begin with.

      I don’t know how serious dating works in your country but have you considered getting into the good books of her father/parents? If it would be possible to make a good impression on them when you “happen to ;)” bump into them while seeing her. If her family approves of you that could help your case.

    17. @Sleazy’s wife: thanks for your interest! Yeah, perhaps a better wife-finding strategy would be to stick to my trad brother like glue. What happened is that I was a virgin until 29 and the last 4 years or so I’ve been trying to make up for lost time. At some point I’ll have to completely get rid of the “need to get laid” mindset, but I’m not there yet.

      About that ex, I still have a bitter taste in my mouth, she used me as a placeholder in case the eventual fiance didn’t come back for her. She spoke to me about him, her first love and all that jazz, but told me she had left him in the past and took me for a ride. The worst thing is you can smell the gaslighting from a mile off but, as the relatively inexperienced guy I am, I didn’t cut her off from my life even after she finally confessed because she said she was still on the fence, while being a mean bitch to me all the while…

      Sorry for the venting, I’ll take a while to recover from that episode, and for my cynicism to mellow out a little.

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