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  1. What’s your guys take on a potential living arrangement?

    Option 1) Central location. (Almost Perfect) Roughly 2-3 minute drive to very happening bars/restaurants, and about 5 mins to my office. Also, about 10 minutes to downtown. Downside, though, is even though apartment is nice, it tends to have a lot of, let’s say, “rift raft,” roaming around as there’s a transit station close by.

    Option 2) Several options here but the others are more in the suburbs and about a 10 minute drive or so to the South end of the city, which is quite happening, but still further away from everything else. These apartments are in a much nicer area than the first.

    Right now I currently have a really nice apartment but it’s in the suburbs and not that close to anything. About 25-30 minutes away from anything you would want to be close to and 20 mins to office.

    1. That depends entirely on what you value. Personally, I prefer living in a nicer neighborhood, but I certainly can see the appeal to living in a very central part of the city.

  2. I agree, Aaron. I tend to prefer the nicer area, too, but, man, I could have some fun with the other spot lol. Sets up perfectly for some action.

    Its a weird spot I’m in. I basically did very little dating in the last year as I was super focused on work and didn’t want to get distracted. In fact, I purposely ignored several higher quality women (somewhat regret now) as I was so focused on getting transferred to US and knew I would have liked these women and wanted to date them more seriously, which, in turn, would have meant I wouldn’t have pursued the transfer. Sounds weird but I knew I would be able to get a great quality woman in the US so used great discipline to avoid the higher quality women to keep things moving with transfer. Then COVID happened…. Who knows what will happen now with that transfer?

    I think whichever place I choose will determine which route I take with dating.

    I’m still a little shocked how my SMV hasn’t changed since I recently turned 35. In some ways, maybe higher as I’m making more money now, am more stylish, and don’t look like I’ve aged a day in the last 5 years. It’s just as easy to get younger women now as when I was 30. Seems like the party doesn’t end anytime soon for guys.

    I still can’t express enough how much good you do for yourself by not smoking, doing drugs, minimal drinking/quitting if you can, moisturizing daily, drinking lots of water, eating clean food, exercising at least 4-5 times a week, proper sleep, having good grooming and hygiene, and not taking life too seriously. You’ll age great!

    1. In terms of missed opportunities…if it makes you feel better, it might not have worked out so great if you chased those HB10 you mentioned.

      It’s a paradox of life, especially in getting with a woman. The more you dont want them especially as you want to focus on non-sex opportunities, the more likely women will be available to you. (But it’s pointless as you want to focus on other projects.)

      But then if you chase, the more they run away.

    2. @shaking my head

      I agree. Women often seem to pop up when you least expect them to. As corny as it may sound, I find women tend to just “appear” when you’re working on your goals and passions.

      You’ll be hustling away and while you’re out to grab a couple groceries, she appears. You lock eyes when you walk in and you start to notice her in the same aisles. Then you notice she only has a handful of things in her cart. Then you notice she’s pretending to be in a deep thought while looking at a box of something when she’s close to you. You’re hitting the gym hard and notice a woman always near. In some cases, you notice her workouts make no sense and she’s working out on machines just to be close to you. You’re sitting in a coffee shop and you lock eyes with a woman a couple times and then she gives a smile. The list goes on.

      It’s funny how things work…..

  3. Some benefits of covid-19: changes in the vienna hooker economics.
    (subtitle: I fucking love prostitutes)

    Ok so today I was with a friend at the best brothel in Vienna: https://www.goldentime.at/

    It’s a FKK sauna club.

    The concept is basically that you pay 90€ for entry. And inside are a lot of hot girls walking
    around naked, and you can have sex with them.
    Some of these girls have playboy-model level bodies.
    30 minutes is 70€, some stuff like cuming in her mouth, or anal, is extra.

    The last time I was at this place before the pandemic happend was ~one year ago.
    There were a lot of tourists (easily 70% of the men, mostly Asians and Italians)
    And this has a big effect on the mindset of the whores. If most of their customers are one-time
    tourists, they don’t make an effort and just want to extract the most money out of them in the
    shortest amount of time. This makes a lot of sense if they don’t expect to see you ever again.

    In Amsterdam I observed the same. While the girls in Amsterdam are super hot (at least the ones
    in the prime area) the service always wasn’t very good. That’s because Amsterdam is also
    a whoring hotspot for sextourists from accros the world.

    So before the pandemic, this place in Vienna was basically overrun by tourists.

    But today, 90% of the customers were from Austria (at least as far as I could tell), and also it was only
    like 40% of the total amount.

    And this has a HUGE effect on how the prostitutes treat you and what value you get for your money.

    e.g. the best session I had this time was with a very hot brunette, she had perfect C (natural) tits,
    long legs, super fit body. She had tattoos as well, but I like the whorish/porn look. It makes me super horny.
    Before the session I was making some small talk with her, while playing with her ass and tits.
    Then the session started with a very nice blowjob, then sex in multiple positions.
    (the best is, in the rooms they have mirrors, so you can fuck her doggy style patrick batemen style, while watching yourself in the mirror)
    I had a trouble cuming because at that time I already fucked 3 other girls (guess I’m getting old lol), but
    she finished me off with another superb blowjob and I came in her mouth.
    I payed 100€ for this which was in total ~50 minutes of fucking and groping her body with her sitting on my lap.

    Left the place with a massive smile on my face.

    1. @Anthony – stop being a buzz kill!

      But seriously, yea that’s a good question you raise. I suppose it’s more risky for the hooker if she swallows.

      @Martin – thx for your story. You just made Austrian Economics great again!

    2. We should compile and collect all great brothels so that one day many of us here can visit and satiate our carnal desires. Seriously, that would be extremely useful.

    3. Na I am not scared of stds.
      In Austria prostitutes have to get mandatory std tests each week or they lose their licence.
      And most of them are also super careful, they use disinfection lotions on their pussy and mouth after each session.
      I wouldn’t be surprised if they had lower std rates than your average club slut.
      And if you use a condom you are protected from all the scary ones. And also female to male transmission is much harder forost stds than vise versa.
      Only hpv is kinda unavoidable, but you can only really avoid it if you only had sex with virgins. And in 99.9 percent of cases nothing happens at all if you get it.
      Also, my philosophy of life is not to live like a scared pussy. If you never take risks, you will live quite a boring life in my opinion. I also go scuba diving, which is much more dangerous than having sex with whores (one time there was a distinct possibility of me dying actually)
      So I just use condoms and get a std test once a year which is more than enough safety in my opinion

    4. Felix Austria! In my part of the world all the best venues are still in lock-down. I fear some will not survive. And I do not wanna resort to freelancers (Hobbyhuren) as they tend to be flaky and offer shitty service IMHO. (Women need some kind of outer structure and being checked upon or they just fuck everything up.)

    5. yes that is also my experience. e.g. agency escorts are much more reliable than independents. 50% of the time I booked a session with an independent, she cancelled it or arrived too late.
      there are some good independents as well, but they are much more volatile in general.
      also I heard some insider stories about this brothel I wrote about in my post. the whores are constantly ploting against each other and the typical women scheming stuff.
      without the owner of the place constantly bitch slaping them it would break down in less then a week.

    6. I guess I could imagine women fighting amongst themselves over petty reasons and/or just wanting some drama in their lives, but luckily I’ve not really experienced much of that kind of female antagonism. The most unpleasant was a classmate who just hated me for what I was and actively tried to be nasty and make my life miserable. She’s the only girl I’ve ever met who’d try to assert dominance over other girls in whatever environment she’s in and be the queen bee.

      Pretty much all my other experiences with female peers have been pleasant and I’m wondering why. I didn’t expect myself to chime in on a discussion primarily about whores. This is amusing.

    7. You have to consider that women (and men) are normally not in a highly competitive zero sum competition.
      This situation will amplify existing tendencies massively.
      Men would also not play fair in such a situation, its just that our methods of fighting differ.
      And it seems that women prefer more the social warfare while men use more direct methods like hitting each other in the face. Although in the Western world women are becoming more masculine and men more feminine, so a lot of these differences might disappear quite soon.

    8. I have also found where I am from (Australia), where it is legal it is much better. They have only recently reopened brothels but you can still see escorts (independents). There is this one escort I was seeing before Covid who I saw a little while ago, I booked her for an hour (and paid for an hour), but at two hours I had to excuse myself as I had other stuff to do that day. I have yet to try out a brothel since Covid yet.

      I find independents in Australia are pretty hit or miss, but the advantage is they are generally more established so you can find reviews online and better find out what they’ll be like.

      I have read from a few different sources that in Australia registered prostitutes actually have a lower rate of STDs then the general female population. This is because they have to get tested frequently and also with online reviews these days giving a client something could ruin your reputation.

      The thing that convinced me to first see a prostitute was the below forum:
      https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/OtherGround/slept-with-over-100-hookers-AMA:2204367

    9. I never needed any convincing. It always was a very logical choice to me.
      The mental Gymnastics some guys do against prostitution is downright crazy sometimes. Just shows you that 99 percent of people are just not capable of rational thinking. Only exception is in countries where it is illegal.
      And alek novy once made a very insightful observation: almost all guys masturbate to porn. So they basically get very aroused by watching another guy fucking a prostitute, but somehow fucking a prostitute themselfes would do nothing for them. Shows you the amount of cognitive dissonance going on in most mens heads

    10. Banging prostitutes has so many benefits: no strings attached, no drama from “queens and mistresses”, great pain reliever for guys who have just broken up with their abusive and selfish women, a great regain of confidence and self-worth.

      Heck, if you save enough money, you could bang many escorts like an Arab sheikh.

      I will definitely choose this path when the time has come. So much more joy, so little pain!

    11. The USA is the most hypocrite state when it comes to prostitutes and brothels. They pump out the greatest number of porn movies, yet keep their men salivating. Oh, if a man makes an advance on a darling bud of May, he ought to be a creep.

      Shaming male sexuality is what most arse-weasels, donkey-asshole, goat-fondling-arse monkeys (feminists) do for a living. Their brains are no better than dogshits and cat-craps.

    12. Yeah… the USA, fucking lol “the land of the free”. they are so cucked.
      I think their extremly strange moral standards are probably a result because they were founded by religious minorities.

      To be honest, this lifestyle is certainly not for everyone. So I will give you a warning, once you start fucking hookers it’s very hard (maybe impossible) to go back to the old way of interacting with women.

      Also I didn’t start like I’m now right of the bat. I had a few relationships with “normal” women before I had my first prostitute.
      It can give you a wrong impression if you only ever interact with pros.
      (but this would still be better than ending up as a 50 year old virgin, like a lot of guys on the incel forums… that is totally mind boggling to me)

      This lifestyle fits me for a lot of reasons, but maybe not other guys:

      – my own family was very broken, my parents divorced when I was 2 years old. Lot of fighting, lying and bullshit. This probably had a huge influence in my view of relationships. And it primed me to accept the blackpill.
      – having quite a few chad friends, confirmed my blackpill beliefs
      – the few relationships I had, were never really fullfilling, most of the time I prefered to play computer games / some other stuff over actually interacting with my girlfriend.
      – me being only average looking and quite introverted, it was always a hard time getting girls the “supposed” way. It never came easy to me. And I never enjoyed the process, it was just frustrating to me. e.g. I hate bars and nightclubs.
      – I was never really interested in average girls. Only in the hot girls. I could never see myself getting into a relationship with a girl I don’t find attractive just to not be alone. I tried this one time and it didn’t work. Lot of men seem to have no problem with this.
      Basically I would rather pay a hot girl than have sex with an average girl for free.
      – the coolidge effect seems to be stronger in me than in most other men. after a few months, I lose interest in having sex with a specific girl, even if I found her quite attractive in the beginning.
      – I never had the desire to have children. Actually I think having a child could be the worst thing happening to my life.
      – always had a darwinistic / genetic determinism outlook on life.
      – I see most normies and especially women as mindless and stupid sheep. I’m quite a misanthrope. This makes interacting with most of them a pain. Imagine you date with a girl and the first thing she asks you is “what is your zodiac sign?”. and in my experience 90% of them are like that.
      – I don’t believe in an afterlife or any of that bullshit eiter. So if I only have one life, it would be insane to only have sex with a few women, and never with women you are really attracted to. It’s a hedonistic approach to life. But it follows from my philosophical beliefs.
      – overall, I had very good experiences with prostitutes. Best sex I had was with a prostitute, not with a girlfriend.
      I would say 70% of the time it was good, 25% very good and only 5% bad experiences.
      – I could add more points… but that are probably the major ones.

      But the biggest point on this list is children.
      If you want children, you have to interact with women the normal way, there is no way around it.
      And it seems like that is the problem for most men.
      I wonder if this is just their blue pilled bliefs, or if this is actually a genetically hardwared drive.
      For me it always made more sense that the biological imperative for men is just to fuck, and children are only the side effect. But.. it’s hard to say.
      But at least for me personally, I never felt the desire to have children of my own.

    13. “Yeah… the USA, fucking lol “the land of the free”. they are so cucked.
      I think their extremely strange moral standards are probably a result because they were founded by religious minorities.”

      I have no problems if we one day decide to roll back to the Puritan and Christian traditions. Sure, for a society to function, we need to suppress both male and female sexual instincts and desire. But right now, women can be as promiscuous as they can be, while men are being chastised for being their sexual selves. Double standard at its finest specimen.

      “– my own family was very broken, my parents divorced when I was 2 years old. Lot of fighting, lying and bullshit. This probably had a huge influence in my view of relationships. And it primed me to accept the blackpill.”

      Of all characteristics about yourself that you are listing, this sounds the most poignant to me. My family is still intact, but cracks surface when you take a closer look. My parents only stay together because of the kids. They no longer sleep together, they are technically friends. I guess after that many years, when all the magical sexual chemistry went away and died down, what is left is just a sense of duty to their own family, and that’s it. This makes me ponder on the nature of monogamy. It is extremely hard to stay true to one woman for the rest of your life. Men are built so differently from women. When I think about it, after reading Sleazy’s and Assanova’s blog, I feel like I want to deliver the most powerful sucker-punch to the face of our Creator, for He has cursed us so much with the way he has designed us. So incompatible, so out-of-rhythm, so flawed.

      Don’t take any pill, just focus on yourself. I guess I can understand if you are around 5’6 or something, but if you are around my height 5’9, then there are still many rooms to improve. That being said, I want to work hard on myself for my family, not primarily for girls. I told Sleazy that if I am so desperate of having sex with chicks, I’ll buy myself a ticket to Amsterdam. There all my erotic dreams shall realize.

      “– me being only average looking and quite introverted, it was always a hard time getting girls the “supposed” way. It never came easy to me. And I never enjoyed the process, it was just frustrating to me. e.g. I hate bars and nightclubs.”

      May I ask how tall are you? What leads you to such a desperate conclusion? With lots of hard work you can easily become above-average. Working hard for a laugh, for you mom, for your fellows, most importantly for yourself, not for chicks who will hang on you today, yet jump into another guy’s lap the next day.

      @Martin “I payed 100€ for this which was in total ~50 minutes of fucking and groping her body with her sitting on my lap.”

      Man, you make me so horny. Such a great deal. I’ll definitely do it! 🙂

    14. “– I don’t believe in an afterlife or any of that bullshit eiter. So if I only have one life, it would be insane to only have sex with a few women, and never with women you are really attracted to. It’s a hedonistic approach to life. But it follows from my philosophical beliefs.”
      Yeah, don’t know what is your religious background. I was raised in a Buddhist family. Day in, day out they taught me about Nirvana and the afterlife, “from whose bourn no traveller returns”. So Shakespeare so aptly said. I find this unconvincing for many reasons. That script about the afterlife is nothing special, since it is so characteristic of all Brahmanic religions originated from India.

      Life is precious and there is only one, why not taste all the sweetness it offers?

    15. @Martin:

      I can relate to most of your points.

      “– the coolidge effect seems to be stronger in me than in most other men. after a few months, I lose interest in having sex with a specific girl, even if I found her quite attractive in the beginning.”

      I am extreme in this regard. Fuck, I would not even visit the hooker that gave me my best orgasms yet (she literally made my whole body shake and tingle) more than 3 times in a row before my desire for novelty (“the best pussy is new pussy”) would let me visit other hookers instead resulting in not seeing her for almost a year (as she only stays in Germany for 3 month per year).

      “But at least for me personally, I never felt the desire to have children of my own.” I have no desire either, but I guess I could find some purpose in raising kids. But I do not really see myself doing this as I have no desire whatsoever to bind myself finically, legally and (by proxy) emotionally to a woman for 18+ years (especially in todays clown world setting). They are way too erratic and overall annoying as well as generally incompatible with me for that. This would actually be my biggest nightmare and I am seriously considering having a vasectomy done because of this.

    16. “But at least for me personally, I never felt the desire to have children of my own.” I have no desire either, but I guess I could find some purpose in raising kids. But I do not really see myself doing this as I have no desire whatsoever to bind myself finically, legally and (by proxy) emotionally to a woman for 18+ years (especially in todays clown world setting). They are way too erratic and overall annoying as well as generally incompatible with me for that. This would actually be my biggest nightmare and I am seriously considering having a vasectomy done because of this.

      What scares me most of having a family is not just the fickleness of females, but the genetic lottery game that are being played between us and God. Would my child have any hereditary disease or disorder? Would he grow up normally? Sure, when he is young, he maybe obedient, but what about in future?

      Then there comes the financial burden of raising him? Would my wife abandon me right in the middle of our marriage? Should I slave myself away for both of them?

      Lots of worries, little rewards.

      Gosh, if we can let the clock wise back to our old happy times!

    17. @Cuong Quoc Vu:

      “Shaming male sexuality is what most arse-weasels, donkey-asshole, goat-fondling-arse monkeys (feminists) do for a living. Their brains are no better than dogshits and cat-craps.”

      Just outta interest: are these the literal translations of common Viatnamese insults? They sound very funny.

    18. “Just outta interest: are these the literal translations of common Viatnamese insults? They sound very funny.”
      Nah, they are not mine. I vaguely remember these words from the speeches of generals in Medieval Total War 2. I love games with a historical setting. 🙂

    19. I haven’t played any of those games, but I would not be surprised if the dialogue was patterned after surviving letters of that era.

    20. With morals, my opinion is this:

      I’m a moral nihilist, I don’t believe in any objective morality.
      So laws are not right or wrong, they are only right or wrong in regards if they lead to a “good” (and this is also just a definition, what is good) or bad society.

      Overall the sexual degeneracy in the west is bad for society.
      The system will collapse and is not sustainable. Falling birth rates, removing the incentives for men to be productive members of society. This cannot go on for much longer.
      And this includes prostitution, strip clubs and so on. I would prefer to live in a strong non degenerate society based on meritocratic principles any day and would give up my hobby for this.
      But, and this is a big but, in a society that is feministic, has a welfare state that distributes resources to women for no good reason, prostitution is necessary counter-balance.

      I’m 178cm, excuse me for not using your bullshit imperial system :p
      Seriously, stop using that retarded abomination 🙂

      I know that I could do a lot to improve my chances with “normal” women.
      But this is one of the side effects of having access to hot prostitutes…. you kinda lose the motivation for that.
      The oppurtunity costs just doesn’t make it worthwhile for me.
      Maybe I will regret this later.. I don’t know.

      I exercise (running and bodyweight stuff mostly), but this is for my health and not to get women.

      And by the way if you really want to do it, don’t go to Amsterdam. Instead go to berlin. Artemis. One of the best brothels in Europe.

    21. “And by the way if you really want to do it, don’t go to Amsterdam. Instead go to berlin. Artemis. One of the best brothels in Europe.”
      You should be our whistle-blower, help us to compile a list of most exotic brothels so we can visit somedays.

      1m78 is a very fortunate height. I am only 1m75. I have a feeling that if you want to loved by women in the US, you need to be at least 6 feet (1m83).

      Since chicks can jump from Chad dicks, we can push our guns into a prostitute. I call that a fair game.

    22. It’s easier for a random guy to have sex with a hot prostitute than it is for a random woman to have sex with a hot guy.

    23. “You should be our whistle-blower, help us to compile a list of most exotic brothels so we can visit somedays.”

      Actually outside of Austria, I only was in Artemis in Berlin, which was superb experience, and in Amsterdam.
      In Amsterdam they have super hot playboy level girls, but they have a scam-mentality. Service is not good most of the time. But if you just want to fuck a super hot girl, it’s nice.

      And even in Vienna. I only know the goldentime brothel. But it is the best place so not really a reason for me to go to another place.

      Most of the time I book agency escorts from this agency https://www.queenofescort.com/
      to my appartment. most of the women of this agency are not hot, but they always have 2-3 hot ones as well… and I just don’t book the other ones.
      https://www.kaufmich.com/
      is a good platform to find independent escorts in Austria and Germany

      Also was a few times at this place:
      https://residenz.at/
      It’s a little bit outside of Vienna but near to where I live.
      Actually fucked a real pornstar there:
      https://residenz.at/Girls/christina-shine/
      Here some of here videos:
      https://www.youjizz.com/videos/escort-diaries-with-christina-shine-48186631.html

      Was kind of a hot experience as well. Good times lol.

      At the moment not really a reason for me to do sex tourism outside of Europa. But the EU cuck overloards are planning to bann prostitution in the EU…. so the party might end quite soon.

    24. @Martin: “But, and this is a big but, in a society that is feministic, has a welfare state that distributes resources to women for no good reason, prostitution is necessary counter-balance.”

      I think even in a conservative Utopia, maybe particularly in such a setting prostitution is necessary and has a stabilizing effect on marriages and hence society as a whole. (I think Michel Houellebecq said something to this effect once, too.) Husbands will end up more satisfied if they can smash some hot young asses at least once in a while.

      I really do not see porn, hookers, strip clubs etc. at the root of our crazy times. In a way things went south for humanity once the extended family was abolished for the nuclear one, I guess. Maybe even much sooner. Just think about how radically different the environment for todays humans is compared to that of the days in which most aspects of our psyche were shaped. I am in now way surprised how fucked up we have become. Almost everything in a developed society of today goes against human nature. This also holds true for the conditions we had 100 and 150 years ago, where Feminism and Cultural Marxism basically weren’t a real thing yet.

      “I’m 178cm, excuse me for not using your bullshit imperial system :p
      Seriously, stop using that retarded abomination 🙂”

      I am glad you said it and I will say it too, again and again, no matter how many people will call me a Euro fag for it 😉

      “But this is one of the side effects of having access to hot prostitutes…. you kinda lose the motivation for that.”
      I can definitely see this at work in me, albeit to a lesser degree than for you, I assume. If I was a baller like you, who could afford to smash 3 hookers a week, I might have no motivation left at all to get into some fuck buddy arrangements. (Maybe I would still wanna have this out of my system.)

      „Maybe I will regret this later.. I don’t know.“

      Yeah, this is one of my fears, too. Life is marathon, not a sprint. Would be good to have something in life that would dwarf my desire for worldly pleasures – or even worth sacrificing them, but so far I do not see it.

    25. @Simplicissimus: my only real long term goal is making it into the technological singularity. I see it as a ~1% probability. But good enough to not kill myself or doing some stupid shit.

      My views on life are that living like a darwinistic meat puppet is not really worth living (that’s why I’m also an antinatalist.. I don’t want to subject my children to living in a cracy clown world and suffering from all of the crazyness that is going on)

      They way hedonic adaption works on a brain-bio-chemistry level is, that you basically will never be happy.

      Even if I suddenly became super rich and had access to a harem of hot super model sex slaves, I would probably get bored of it in less than a year.

      And also I don’t think that searching for any “meaning” is different. Meaning is just a different feeling that got hard wired into our brains to benefit our genes.

      So I don’t really think this game is worth playing.

      But my dream is, in the technological singulartiy, to fundamentally changing the rules of the game.
      Imagine you can rewrite your own brain structure to not even have a sex drive or hedonic adaption anymore.
      Now that would be quite interesting in my opinion.

      My dream would be that I have my own spaceship, I would be immortal, had my own harem of virtual sex slaves (if I was still interested in sex, which is a big question), and I would explore the universe and do ever increasing scientific experiements to solve the real fundamental questions.

      The quest for truth is basically my main drive in life.
      Fundamentally it comes down to if the heat death of the universe can be avoided. If not, basically everything we do is pointless in the end.
      Maybe there is a loophole in quantum mechanics? I don’t know obviously. But that would be my main goal.

    26. @Cuong Quoc Vu

      Have you thought about finding a wife in the motherland of Vietnam? Is that going to be feasible for you if you so desire?

    27. “Overall the sexual degeneracy in the west is bad for society.
      The system will collapse and is not sustainable. Falling birth rates, removing the incentives for men to be productive members of society. This cannot go on for much longer.”

      A modern woman is an unanchored ship aimlessly floating in the ocean in search of a port. Her stupidity and greed are the mist that limit her vision. Soon she shall be overturned the horrid storm of time, or she shall be sunk by an iceberg that she mistakes to be a pole.

    28. You were a wise man Martin. I remember the mental gymnastics I had in my head to convince myself not to see a prostitute was just stupid now. Once I thought about it rationally and dealt with all of my objections with research it was a no brainer.

      I would be interested in knowing some good places to visit in Europe? This year I was planning a trip, which will now probably be sometime next year.

      I think I am a little different to you two not as much “Coolidge Effect,” I tend to pick a roster of women 2-3 women at different places that I see on a semi-regular basis, while seeing a new one every so often as well. I like to talk after sex and find that when you become more of a regular they tend to give you better service. I also think every time you see someone new you do take a chance it may be bad, even if there well reviewed.

      I would agree with you I have had some amazing experiences with prostitutes that I think would be hard for a regular relationship to top. One that comes to the top of my mind was actually outside the bed room, I was trying out a date with this new girl before going to the bedroom with her, we were walking though a park and she just grabbed me and started kissing me. While we were kissing she was running her hands over my body just lightly enough that I had what felt like electric sparks going through my body.

      I completely agree with you about the USA being hypocritical, its kind of funny really, prostitution is legal as long as you film it for other to watch.

      I think much of the incel community would greatly benefit by seeing a prostitutes. I think a key point in my life and personal happiness came when I realized I could be happy living a life doing things that made me happy and not following the path everyone else was on of a wife and kids. I live a productive life with a good income and job do exactly what I want when I want and whenever the moment strikes me can see a lady of whatever colour, breast size and waist size I feel like at the time.

    29. How did you set up that date with the prostitute? Did you pay her for two hours in advance or was this a prostitute you’ve been seeing for a while already? Your experience would make sense for the latter as some prostitutes run a different game in order to get their better-off clients hooked and extract more money out of them.

    30. @teddy: „I remember the mental gymnastics I had in my head to convince myself not to see a prostitute was just stupid now.“

      The one thing that made me hesitate for almost a decade to visit hookers was – besides my hypochondria – my worry to get involved with shady and dangerous fellas – thugs, pimps, mafia goons, crazy cluster b bitches etc. I was also not eager to finance these kinds of people.
      Had it not been for these caveats I would have been a whoremonger form the moment I became of age.

    31. @Martin: As of yet I am undecided on the matter of antinatalism, but there is definitely strong case to be made in favor of it. In my personal case, however, restraining from procreation might be a good idea overall as I exhibit great anhedonic and dysthymic tendencies I would not like my children to inherit. Especially as things are about to get rougher in the future.

      “They way hedonic adaption works on a brain-bio-chemistry level is, that you basically will never be happy.” Yeah, the good ol hedonic treadmill again.

      “Even if I suddenly became super rich and had access to a harem of hot super model sex slaves, I would probably get bored of it in less than a year.” Same here. That’s where some kind of life mission/end game might come in handy.

      “And also I don’t think that searching for any “meaning” is different. Meaning is just a different feeling that got hard wired into our brains to benefit our genes.”

      I agree. I listened to a lecture of Sam Harris’ Waking-Up Meditation App, in which he argued that the desire for meaning/purpose/life having to make sense actually detracts from living life to the fullest and that it should be – at least from time to time – witnessed mindfully as just another appearance in consciousness that one does not need to hold on to. (Nonetheless, IMHO working towards “meaningful” long time goals can bring great peace of mind and have a great effect on ones quality of life.)

      “Imagine you can rewrite your own brain structure to not even have a sex drive or hedonic adaption anymore.
      Now that would be quite interesting in my opinion.”

      I would even claim in order to live eternally (or at least for insane periods of time) you would need some kind of re-programming to simply bare the mental and emotional challenges that go along with it. This is a paradox of the conditio humana: we fear death, but we also fear infinity/immortality, I would say. The prospect of a truly eternal life – even in some kind of a heaven – might ultimately turn out to be hellish (unless said brain modification takes place). We are caught between the fear of death and the fear of having to live for ever – escaping one pole brings us closer to the other.

      “Fundamentally it comes down to if the heat death of the universe can be avoided. If not, basically everything we do is pointless in the end.”

      I personally do not worry too much about these cosmic problems. They are rather abstract and enfolding on scales that leave enough possibilities for mankind to pursue all kind of great and glorious endeavors. My problem is: at least in the West we do not pursue these goals (the Chinese do – at least to some extend). We just deconstruct/dismantle ourselves. This agenda is pushed by soul-crippled losers and lunatics and accepted or at least tolerated by the normie masses, who can’t be bothered by anything that does not involve mundane shit like watching sport matches, consuming food and beverages, traveling and in general just being an uncritical, uncurious and unreflected husk of a naked ape. The worst part is that we are giving away everything we and our ancestors build for a breed of “people” that could not be more unworthy of it (i.e. vulgar, violent, stupid, inbred savages from third world shitholes). Many Westerners are enjoying their new role as serfs and cum-buckets for these “people”, apparently.

    32. “I haven’t played any of those games, but I would not be surprised if the dialogue was patterned after surviving letters of that era.”
      Cursing is an art of its own, in my opinion. I was born in 1990, while you seem to be born in 1970s, where older games reigned. I like Contra, Mario, and a couple of other games that I can’t quite recall now.

      I have never played arbitrary games. I’ve chosen them based on their historical setting. Some games have beautiful dialogues and monologues.

      “You have achieved utter and total domination of Europe. Each and every one of your enemies lies relegated to a footnote of history and your glory shall ever be noted with reverence”

      This is from Medieval Total War 1.

    33. “@Cuong Quoc Vu

      Have you thought about finding a wife in the motherland of Vietnam? Is that going to be feasible for you if you so desire?”

      Well, yes. I am not shying away from Vietnamese or Chinese girls. However, I suffer from at least two genetic defects, one of them is myopic. This makes me wonder if I should have kids. I am worried that my kids shall bear these ills that I am having right now.

      My mom’s own reflection on marriage is also an unhappy one.

      I have never had penetrative sex (had a very close chance to do so with a prostitute for free, but decide not to proceed since I don’t carry with me enough money nor do I want to have sex freely with her. After all, she’s sold her body for money, so I don’t want to use her). But I have dated a number of Chinese girls. I like Asian girls in general.

      BTW, Been to Singapore, very nice country, particularly dig the Indian food sections. Vague remember the Orchard Street. 🙂

    34. “It’s easier for a random guy to have sex with a hot prostitute than it is for a random woman to have sex with a hot guy.”
      I see, I will take note of this.

    35. “How did you set up that date with the prostitute? Did you pay her for two hours in advance or was this a prostitute you’ve been seeing for a while already? Your experience would make sense for the latter as some prostitutes run a different game in order to get their better-off clients hooked and extract more money out of them.”

      My friend, who is older than me, knew one of these prostitutes. He invited her together with her friends to a restaurant. I was also invited to tag along. He told me not to bring no more than 100 RMB. We had dinner together and we paid altogether, they paid it too.

      When we came back to their apartment. My friend got drunk and merry with those 2 girls, while I had time to fondle the third girl, who was into me from the start. Midway through the night, my friend couldn’t find ways to separate 1 girl from another, while I ended up sleeping next to that third prostitute. We had some foreplay before she said she and I should move into another room. I was genuinely taken by surprise and said I didn’t have enough money. We slept side by side together. I touched her pussy a couple of times.

      My friends later told me I could have had sex with her right there. It would be exciting for both her and me. But I decide not to look back, since sleeping for free with her is rather immoral.

    36. “At the moment not really a reason for me to do sex tourism outside of Europa. But the EU cuck overloards are planning to bann prostitution in the EU…. so the party might end quite soon.”
      NO! DON’T BAN OUR LAST LIGHT OF HOPE! 🙂

  4. Who else is thinking that the AI fearmongers are not so irrational?

    https://www.news18.com/news/auto/us-air-force-to-test-autonomous-ai-fighter-against-human-manned-aircraft-in-2021-2662387.html

    https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphastar-mastering-real-time-strategy-game-starcraft-ii

    AI is surely progressing at a quite rapid rate

    “Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th.”

    😀

    1. The Starcraft II match was b.s. as the AI had full view of the playfield and was able to execute its actions at a much faster pace than the human opponent. Here’s a post on it:
      https://www.alexirpan.com/2019/02/22/alphastar.html

      Look into the history of Google DeepMind some more. One of its founders, Dennis Hassabis, has a rather tainted reputation, although you need to dig a bit to learn about it. Part of his success is due to him being part of the elite. He also seems rather scrupulous. His current Wikipedia page has been cleaned up but a few years ago you could read that his “sensational” PhD work in neuroscience, which got widespread attention in the media (here the elite connections come in play again) wasn’t all that. Look at this paragraph from the Wikipedia history:

      Recently some of Hassabis’ findings and interpretations have been challenged by other researchers. A paper by Larry R. Squire and colleagues [18] reported a dissociation between hippocampal lesions and imagination deficits as well as between amnesia and imagination deficits. Furthermore, Squire and colleagues questioned whether the lesions of the patients tested by Hassabis and colleagues were restricted to the hippocampus. Recent studies support the original findings,[19] although the debate is ongoing.[20]

      This has been removed. You’ll probably get banned if you re-add it.

    2. As far as I know the second version of alpha star had an APM limit and also could only see a part of the battlefield, like humans. And it still got into the top 1% of players.
      It’s only a matter of time until it will crush all human players.
      It’s still quite an impressive progress in my opinion.

    3. “Who else is thinking that the AI fearmongers are not so irrational?” I do. I am in no way an expert on the matter, but to me it seems absolutely possible that some great break through is just around the corner. However, it also seems possible to me that it might never arrive or (more likely) that mankind will do away with itself (or at least with civilization) before this break through might take place. Interesting times we live in, for sure.

      All in all I would even prefer some over the top(?) dystopian scenario ala Matrix, Terminator etc., in which we humans get wiped out or enslaved by robots and AIs, to finding myself in some kind of an Islamic-Socialist-Globalist Shithole with most people around me having an IQ no higher than 85 and behaving accordingly. If I am gonna fall prey to violence and oppression I at least want my murderers/torturers/oppressors to be above me.

      But I guess the most likely dystopian scenario in regards to AI might be that its near arrival might get everybody ape shit: nations/alliances, who might fear their enemies are about to beat them to developing a general AI launching a preemptive strike, which results in WWIII. (Or maybe the leading nation/alliance anticipating such a pre-emptive strike and trying to beat its enemies to it.) The finance markets and world economy going on a rollercoaster. The white and the blue collar crowd – and of course the welfare scum – rioting in the streets.

      I think even for the unlikely case that this break through will usher in some golden age for mankind, there will be quite a few nasty disruptions along the path to our technological paradise. But who knows.

    4. General AI is a long way off. What you are witnessing are AI systems that can navigate a system with very well defined rules. Video games are an ideal training ground. Yet, trying to solve vague real-world problems, even narrowly defined ones, with AI can be very tricky. As long long as you can reduce a problem space to a finite number of discrete states, you’re golden but if this doesn’t work, you’ll hit a brick wall quite soon and end up with approximations that may or may not be useful.

    5. At this point I see the “Islamic-Socialist-Globalist Shithole” by far as the most likely outcome.
      When only stupid people breed, Ideocracy will become reality in less than 3 generations.

  5. Any french readers or french speakers around? I have a quick question, out of curiosity.

    I came across the news that a french bus driver named Philippe Monguillot died after being beaten and left brain dead by 3 or 4 passengers that boarded his bus without tickets and without their mandatory face masks. Multiple outlets have reported that arrests have been made, but no names or other identifiable information is given.
    Does anyone know if this is for legal reasons? Or is it possible thay the perps are cultural enrichers and the media is trying to sidestep the issue?

    1. I found an article in French last week – I think in some sort of local news paper (where else?) – , where three Arab sounding names were mentioned. Unfortunately, I cannot find it now.

      But I do not want to spread fake news as I do not speak French and did not use a translation software either. For all I know these names might belong to three brain surgeons who coincidently passed by the crime scene and tried to save his life, but failed – despite them being masters of their trade 😉

    2. “Or is it possible thay the perps are cultural enrichers and the media is trying to sidestep the issue?”

      To clarify: their first names were Arab, their last names were abbreviated, i.e. something like Mohamad A.

      You might have come across the German term “Lügenpresse”. It was tossed around at PEGIDA rallies a lot and has found its way in the vocabulary of the German right. Lügen = lies, Presse = press. So basically “lying press”.

      There is a play of words following this term: Lückenpresse. Lücken = Gaps. So basically the press lying/distorting reality by omission. They just write of “men” instead of “migarants”/”turks”/ “arabs” when reporting about perps.

      There is actually a directive of the German Press Council to only mention the religion or nationality of perps in case of a “justified factual reference” to the crime. I think it is not unlawful to act otherwise, but the German mainstream media is cucked as fuck so almost everybody follows that directive. So you basically have a bunch of cucked libshits deciding if there is a “justified factual reference” to the crime.

    3. I kinda suspected that. In some places like Sweden, I hear they will refer to 2nd generation as nationals, so you read that someone knifed someone or threw a grenade at something, you can bet its a “Swedish” man whose name is Mohammed, Abdul, or a variation thereof.

  6. Aaron, last open thread you mentioned that you have hung out with Scotty from GLL. Do you also know Chris?

    That dude is funny. Seems like he’d be fun to hang out with.

    1. You don’t think he has a good sense of humor?

      I find him pretty entertaining.

    2. There has been comedians that have made entire careers off of that principal. George Carlin comes to mind. I think he has a cool personality and I like how he rips apart PUAs.

    1. Are the elites scared now that China has forsaken them? I’m getting hints of white nationalist thought slowly creeping back in, too. Those who shall not be named have overplayed their hand. The golem has turned on them as well. And now it’s become fashionable to trend #AlbanianPrivilege. Let them keep pissing in the wind.

    2. I think the elites are currently scared of a lot of things. I’m wondering who the first Western leader is who will flee into exile. Some of them probably already had moments where they envisioned themselves under a guillotine, but maybe they haven’t because they are constantly on drugs and still think they are doing a great job, despite the fact that they only have to look outside the window to see fires burning.

  7. I don’t know if this is legit:

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-15/teenage-boy-was-given-estrogen-developed-breast-tissue-while-in-l-a-county-juvenile-hall-lawsuit-alleges#:~:text=A%2016%2Dyear%2Dold%20boy,a%20lawsuit%20filed%20last%20month.&text=%E2%80%9CEstrogen%20is%20not%20a%20treatment%20for%20ODD.

    But it would not surprise me at all in our crazy clown world. Really nothing can surprise anymore.

    Boys are now injected forcibly with estrogene if they behave like men.

    The western world is fucked beyond belief. I wonder if this is all just some cosmic absurdity going on, god (or whoever is running our simulation) having some jokes with us, or is this all some kind of deeply planed islamic conspiracy to replace the population of the west with millions of rapefugees?
    I really don’t know it anymore. Everything is possible.

    At this rate I wonder when they will start to castrate boys after birth to cure them of “toxic” behavior.

    Also, I’m starting to believe that the west becoming an Islamic theocracy might be the best outcome for all of us.

    1. From what I gather, this story is real. You really wonder if there is any plan at all. Flooding our country with Muslims is a pretty daring idea. You’d suspect that before you open the gates you risk sacrificing a small country and see how it’s working out for them. Well, that country was Sweden. The experiment didn’t turn out well, but that didn’t keep the elites from marching on in their collective delusion.

      Religious fervor is a powerful motivation. It could well be that some Jews like Soros pushed for the flooding of Europe with Muslims because of their hatred of Christianity. Jews are quite open about how much they hate our religion. Yet, it somehow must have escaped those verbal IQ150+ types that Muslims hate Jews about as much as Christians. Some would say that they hate Jews more than Christians, but there seems to be a lot more Christian churches going up in flames than synagogues.

    2. I know there is a lot of evidence of Jewish intervention in filling Europe with Muslim men, but it is fucking stupid, white people treat them well, we can’t even make antisemitic jokes or deny the holocaust, but they want to replace whites with Muslims who hate them. We are supposed to help poor Israel because it is surrounded by hostile neighbors, and now they want to fill Europe with those same people?.

  8. @Martin: “Also, I’m starting to believe that the west becoming an Islamic theocracy might be the best outcome for all of us.”

    Fuck nah! I guess I know where you are coming from, but I can think of many very grim future scenarios that still would beat this outcome by far (especially for MGTWOs). Even getting colonized by the CCP would be preferable to being ruled by these inbred goat fuckers. The Chinese are at least capable of keeping the lights on (to waht degree they are willing to do so for us, is another question).

    And let’s not think for a second that we Europeans/Whites would gain anything by converting to Islam once we are under mouzzie rule. This would barley be the new baseline, the bare minimum if you don’t wanna be a total pariah. You will still be discriminated against or even persecuted because of your race/ethnicity. (And of course they would rightfully assume that you are just an opportunist who does not really share their faith.) Furthermore, not being a member of a powerful clan/tribe alone will put you at a massive disadvantage as mouzzie societies are tribal as fuck. I also do not see myself learning the throat disease that is Arabic.

    Fuck Islam and fuck muzzies! That they share my contempt towards certain aspects of Clown World does not mean shit. (I am of course full of schadenfreude when thinking how libshits will get swallowed alive as Islam spreads evermore in the West. But at the end of the day this would not compensate for the suffering that I and the people I care about would have to face, too.)

    I would honestly rather see all Western countries nuked to sand if this was the only way to prevent Islams dominance over us.

    1. I am actually curious of what will happen to European countries after this mass immigration of Muslims. I think it must be karma, for the West (including the US) did little to maintain peace (peacemakers) and arbitrate conflicts of different sides in many Muslim countries. I have some sympathy for these Muslim refugees, their fate is similar to Vietnamese boat-people in the aftermath of the WW2.

      Time will always change everything, you get that when you read History. Think of the Germanic invasions of Roman Empire, The invasions of the five Barbarians of China (五胡之乱). Learning well History makes you appreciate the dynamism of social change. Of course, I am writing these lines in the comfort of safety from a country that is technically safe from these onslaughts.

    2. Didn’t you write that you live in the US? The US has a problem with domestic terrorism. I don’t think we’ve seen a similarly spectacular implosion of an empire before in history.

    3. “their fate is similar to Vietnamese boat-people in the aftermath of the WW2.”
      Sorry, in the aftermath of the Vietnam War.

    4. “I would honestly rather see all Western countries nuked to sand if this was the only way to prevent Islams dominance over us.”

      The nihilist in me certinaly has a yearning to see the world burn 😀

      I did a survivalist training for 2 weeks… and somehow I think it could be quite interesting to try to survive in a post apocalyptic world. I probably would not make it very long, but we are going to die anyways, and going out fighting sounds better than me than becoming a cancer vegetable in some hospital.

      Maybe at some point the Islamic world has to be nuked anyways. Imagine some ISIS people get their hands on some ICBMs. Mutually assured destruction doesn’t work as deterrent if your opponant is a religious nut who thinks he will get 72 virgins in heaven.
      So doing a preemptive first strike would be the only option.
      Sam Harris was talking about this in one of his books

    5. @Cuong Quoc Vu: “I think it must be karma, for the West (including the US) did little to maintain peace (peacemakers) and arbitrate conflicts of different sides in many Muslim countries. I have some sympathy for these Muslim refugees, their fate is similar to Vietnamese boat-people in the aftermath of the WW2.”

      Has nothing to do with karma. Yes, the West did quite some destabilizing of the region. But mouzzies/arabs have a talent to destabilize their societies themselves. They are extremely backwards, low IQ inbred savages brainwashed by a viscous, violent stone age death cult that tells them not to rest until they have subjected the whole world. (By the way, the first contact between the US and the Islamic World was muslim pirates capturing American Sailors and selling them into slavery.)

      Only because they suffer does not mean they are nice people who deserve our sympathy (#NotAll). Just ask you fellow Buddhists in Thailand and especially Myanmar how well they get along with their mouzzie minorities.

      “Of course, I am writing these lines in the comfort of safety from a country that is technically safe from these onslaughts.”

      Even the US have seen Sharia patrols by now. And mouzzies only make up 1 or 2 % of the US population.

      https://gellerreport.com/2019/02/muslim-sharia-patrol-nyc.html/

      Mouzzies in the US already act very brazenly and demanding, e.g. they clog sidewalks for their prayers etc. Just think of the audacity of cunts like Linda Sarsour and Ilhan Omar.

      Nip it in the bud, buddies, or share the same fate as $haremoney and Swedistan!

    6. In 2016 the % of Muslims in Sweden was 4.6%. Pew Research’s worst-case scenario projects that this will increase to 30% by 2050 but I think it’ll be higher because their projection doesn’t take into account the rejected asylum seekers who have gone/will go underground and live undocumented. That will be such a dreadful reality. I can’t imagine current conflicts exacerbated by ~5x.

      Today I read the news that thus far this year there’ve been 60 school fires in Lund alone (arson attacks). Yet I’ve never come across news of any arsonists being prosecuted for their crimes. For some time now I’ve been working on a compilation of some of the crazy things happening in Sweden just for my personal reference but it’s hard to impose a strict cut-off date and stop adding articles to it because more ridiculous stuff just keeps happening.

      I have personally seen MENAs honking their car horns, shouting and waving foreign flags (Pakistan for sure and Afghanistan, I think) as they drive by. I was actually walking home when I encountered one of these vehicle processions. It was one-off though, and happened around the time of the year when students graduate. There’s a graduation tradition where students wear their graduation caps and honk out of cars with Swedish flags. So I guess these guys thought it fit to assert their presence in a similar way.

    7. “Didn’t you write that you live in the US? The US has a problem with domestic terrorism. I don’t think we’ve seen a similarly spectacular implosion of an empire before in history.”

      Yeah, I am currently in the US. What do you mean by “domestic terrorism”? Here, in the state where I am living, I feel no hanging shadow of terrorism.

      Time will change everything. In 1960s, we had tons of student demonstration, Black riots, Civil Movement, Anti-war Movement. So I am passively observing the course of events, of course comfortably at a distance of safety.

      I wonder if these riots could change the US social structure that was irreversibly altered by the 2008 crisis.

    8. I found an old news article of a Swedish teacher being interviewed about the state of Malmö schools. Some of the things he exposed are:
      – Students who sell drugs or abuse others do not suffer any consequences.
      – Teachers have their personal property destroyed and receive threats about grading.
      – Many schools have employees who do not speak acceptable Swedish. This is evident in the poor teacher quality and resources handed out.
      – Migrant parents ask for interpreter assistance for appointments, for which the municipality pays, but sometimes do not show up.
      On top of this the schools have to tread sensitively around the Muslim students and their parents due to their beliefs, Ramadan, propensity towards violence, etc.

      Source: https://samnytt.se/larare-i-malmo-vittnar-barnen-far-lara-sig-om-svenskar-som-otrogna-hundar-redan-i-lagstadiet/

  9. ” Imagine some ISIS people get their hands on some ICBMs.”
    Had the US not invaded Iraq, then we would not have to deal with this ISIS bullshit!

    1. Got that right. People forget how pro-war Americans were going into it. Now (17 years later) nobody knows why the fuck we are there. Check this scene from Gone with the Wind out. It reminds me of the hubris Americans had back then, and the dangers of jumping into war head first.

      https://youtu.be/S72nI4Ex_E0

    2. I just hope that one day the US will revert back to the policy of Isolation like it did before the WW1

  10. Here is for some fans of China, who know nothing of China, but still love China out of blindness and desperation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEyF8qwq_58

    At 8:00, this American gentleman says: “It is the most no hold bar no rules capitalistic society in many ways.”

    That should be enough to break your illusion of a just and fair society. In that country, the only way to rise to the top is to be corrupted, to be conniving, to cheat, etc.

    If the US is worse, than China is even much more worse than that.

    Proud of becoming an American.

    1. It’s a new kind of neural network for generating text. One claim is that news articles this neural network produces are indistinguishable from texts generated by humans. Thus, it seems that a lot of journalists will soon realize how fucking stupid they are when they want to learn how to code but can’t even understand a if-statements. The paper is freely available, by the way:
      https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.14165v3

    2. Thank you Aaron!

      I saw the topic trending.

      Had no idea about it so wanted a rational / sane heads up about this topic before I see a bunch of articles commenting on it that have an agenda behind their POV.

      Do you see this taking off? Maybe one can use it for Tinder so that AI gets you a hookup and you save precious time doing your life stuff lol

    3. I see some use for having fluff conversations. Also, keep in mind that an AI wouldn’t go insane talking to airheads. The problem, though, is that your GPT-3 bot may spill the beans on your zodiac sign and belief in magic, so you’re not really solving the problem because eventually you’ll have to talk to them in real life and then she may be really curious to learn about the implications of your zodiac sign for your budding relationship with her.

  11. My fellow whoremongers, do you ever get dem hoes down to ya crib or do you book a motel room etc. to meet them there? (I am talking of agency girls and free lancers that only offer to pay you visits, but no possibility to visit them.) 


    I would not prefer hookers (and therefore pimps and other goons) not to have my address information etc. (and knowledge of the valuables within my flat and the characteristics of my door and windows etc.)

    But I am also a cheap ass (the hooker fees are expensive enough already) and do not like to commute. Recently on my way from my new “favorite” massage parlor – my actual favorites are still locked-down – I witnessed a bunch of highly esteemed gentlemen consuming crack at the nearby metro station. Lovely!

    1. In Australia, all brothels and most escorts (independants) have incall service, where they have their own rooms and beds you can use. Usually outcall, where they go to yours is more expensive as well.

    2. I do outcalls to my apartment a lot.
      But I’m a minimalist so there is not really anything worthwhile to steal in my apartment.
      And I only use established agencies, so I think this risk is very low.
      It’s just a very nice experience, you play computer games, then fuck a hot girl (after ordering her like a Pizza), and then go back to playing games (or something else)

    3. @Teddy: in my neck of the woods quite some independents do not offer you to pay them a visit at all, but only offer to pay you a visit (whether at your home, your office(!) or a hotel/motel room you book). (I’ve probably missed a few (potentially) great fucks with hot chicks because of that.) Some agencies offer an apartment you can book additionally, but it of course also comes along with an additional fee. As long as I chose an agency suited in my city – whatever suited means in this context, maybe the hookers all live within the borders of my city or very close to it – I pay no extra fee. (Or maybe they dwell at the agency’s office suited in my city and are then chauffeured to the John once ordered. I do not know actually and never thought about it that much.)

      @Martin: “But I’m a minimalist so there is not really anything worthwhile to steal in my apartment.” The only things worth stealing in my flat are my PC and my tablet. Already enough to sting and to really piss me off.

      “And I only use established agencies, so I think this risk is very low.” Yeah, sounds like a reasonable risk assessment. (I personally still have some reservations.)

      By the way: do you know how the hookers get to your place? I guess most of them are chauffeured by some agency goon or their pimp. Are they all dolled up or do they actually dress rather casual? (I would prefer not be identified as a whore monger by my neighbors, but on the other hand: so what?)

      The actual booking you do with the bawd? I once called an agency and immediately excused myself and hung up as a guy picked up the phone. I could not help it but in my mind a picture of the protagonist of the “Hitman” franchise popped up, lol!

    4. @Simplicissimus:

      most of them dress “sexy”, with like a skirt or a dress, but not super slutty.
      most of the agencies have their own drivers, and the independents just use normal cabs or Ubers.
      I doubt any of the have pimps.
      And it seems all of the agencies in Austria are actually run by women (ex escorts)

      if my neighbors find out: honestly, I don’t give a fuck. I don’t do anything illegal.
      In the past I was concerned about this, but then I realized that this mindset is complete bullshit, and it’s actually a good exercise to train yourself to not give a fuck anymore.

      I actually like to rub it into their faces, most of the men living in my apartment are cucks who are married to ugly women.
      One time an escort came to my apartment and she was dressed kind of slutty, short skirt, high heels, and she was super hot.
      My neighbor was outside and noticed it. This guy has a super ugly wife. The look on his face was priceless 😀

      Why should I care what these idiots think about me? They are dumb sheep, they actually should care more what I think about them.

      Obviously, there are some people who you should care what they think about you.
      e.g. your boss at your job.

      My general framework is, only care as much about what people think about me, as much as power they have over me.
      My neighbors don’t have any power over me, so, 0 fucks given.

    5. @Martin: “In the past I was concerned about this, but then I realized that this mindset is complete bullshit, and it’s actually a good exercise to train yourself to not give a fuck anymore.“

      Fuck, yes! That’s the right attitude!

      “Why should I care what these idiots think about me? They are dumb sheep, they actually should care more what I think about them.” Lol! Makes sense.

      By the way: do you also have experiences with any Arab/Turkish escorts? I had a handful encounters in massage parlors with hookers of these background. One of the top 3 hookers I ever had was Arab. She “just” wanked me off, but she literally made my dick erupt like a volcano. And she stopped my jizz from being sprayed through the whole room – without me telling her to do so and how to do it. Like a real pro!
      (I have a very strong “jet”, apparently, resulting in some hookers receiving involuntary body-shots if I do not warn them beforehand and instruct them how to shield off my cock with their hands, correctly. Sometimes I forget to do so – honestly, I just get lost in the ecstacy of the moment! Sometimes they just ignore my warnings and instructions, my hands are clean – unlike theirs.

      I once hit the toiletry bag of a milf that was placed a few feet away from the mattress – she took it with humor, luckily. And I once shocked a Russian hooker by hitting the mirror behind us. When she cleaned it right afterwards she was mumbling the whole time “I’ve never seen anything like this! I’ve never seen anything like this! My god! My god!“ She also remarked she considered it a good feature to have in case I want to get a hoe pregnant, lol!

      And I rember this persian chick who was teasing me. She was bowing down towards my crotch fainting to give me head. Damn she was so hot and had such a great attidtude! She can thank her good reflexes this stunt did not cost her one of her eyes. Ah, glory times!)

      Then there was this Turkish girl with the most stunning ass I ever came across. But inviting them levantine lasses to my home (even if they work for a established, decent agency)? I don’t want brother Cem and cousin Mahmut to pay me a visit to restore family honor. (I fear I am overthinking shit and getting paranoid.)

    6. My very first whore was actually turkish.
      And damn she was hot. Literally a 9/10. Unfortunatelly I don’t have pictures anymore, but trust me.. she was almost perfect.
      Perfect ass, perfect fake tits, very cute face as well, long dark hair.
      I think I must have been 22 or 23 years old at that time.
      And not only was she hot. But the sex with her was very good as well.
      She was literally one of these unicorn whores, you had to book her multiple days in advance because there was a constant row of whoremongers, she had like hundreds of very good reviews online.
      At this time in my life I had only sex with one other girl, my first girlfriend, who was maybe a 6/10.

      So you can imagine what an experience this was for me, to go from a 6/10 to literally having sex with a supermodel.
      And it was so fucking easy. Just flash over a 100€ bill and she is yours (for a hour).
      It was such an impactful experience on me, I still have it in my mind like a movie basically.
      Like a druggie getting his first shot of heroin. Just the whores come without bad side effects 😀

      I think this experience forever doomed me to become a whoremonger. There was no way for me after this to not do it again.

      I booked her a few times, but then I actually got attached to her emotionally, thinking about her all the time, how it would be to have her as my girlfriend….. the typical stuff that happens to inexperienced guys the first time they have sex with a hot girl.
      Thank god I was smart enough to realize that this is a terrible idea, and I pulled the plug. Never saw her again.

      A few weeks later I tried another whore, an Arab one.
      And boy, this experience, was a total contrast to my first one, it was horrible.
      Very mechanical and it was obvious that she hated doing it
      (that was literally my worst experience with a whore, nothing like that happened later)

      To this day, I think about what would happened to my life if these 2 experiences had happened the other way around.
      By the way this seem to happen to a lot of people, the try pay sex one time, it sucks, and then they never try it again.

      The same would have probably happened to me, and I would not have become a whoremonger, maybe I would have married my next girlfriend and now I also would be
      an unhappy divorce cuck.

      It’s fascinating how totally insignificant events can have such an impact on our lifes.

    7. Nice anecdote. You did exhibit great discipline, maturity and wisdom in avoiding contact with this chick.

      My first hooker (who “deflowered” me) was an independent one. I visited her in my late twenties – after having been exposed to MGTOW content and Aarons writings for a few years already. This and me being already a little older as well as quite bitter in regard to women because of my failed PUA attempts might have probably saved me falling in love even with some “real catch” (or maybe not, who knows?). My first hooker was nothing special, but overall decent enough (just her cunt was very smelly af – ewww!!). She had a very friendly, pleasant personality and was very chill about my erectile dysfunction.

      “The same would have probably happened to me, and I would not have become a whoremonger, maybe I would have married my next girlfriend and now I also would be
      an unhappy divorce cuck.

      It’s fascinating how totally insignificant events can have such an impact on our lifes.”

      Yeah, I see your point. That is one of the reasons why I try to be not too judgemental. The second hooker I ever saw (also an independent one) was a borderline psycho bitch from hell. Jesus! The experience I made with her made me run to the massage parlors and never bothering with escorts again to this day. Along came Corona…

      Had she been my first hooker ever, Lord only knows where I would have ended up, lol!

      But, yeah: I think I might try out some agency girls in the near future (the independent ones can fuck right off as far as I am concerned – at least for now 😉

    8. martin:
      “In the past I was concerned about this, but then I realized that this mindset is complete bullshit, and it’s actually a good exercise to train yourself to not give a fuck anymore ”

      you are killing me this is gold.

  12. Recommendation to ze German speaking (Black Pill/Incel) crowd among you: I recently finally made it through the below video this week (took me 3 – 4 sessions as it is 2h+ long).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IddWaINYMew

    My favorite German Youtuber, Der Schattenmacher, gives his take on the Eliot Rodger case and inceldom in general. As usually he provides an in-depth analysis and even offers some solid phisolophy-backed life advice. His snobbish attidude may not be to everyones taste, but I personally find it hilarious (esepecially as he is well aware how smug he must come across and exhibits some self-iriony reagrding it).

    The title (in combination with the thumb nail) alone made me chuckle: “Incel: Life and views of Elliot Rodger, gentleman.”

    1. I have watched the entire thing now.
      quite interesting and honest analysis.

      I think Eliot was what they call a “mentalcel” on the incel forums.
      He had a lot of personality problems, the biggest one a deep rooted entitlement complex.
      And also he lacked any kind of self reflection.

      I think his parents are mostly to blame for this. It seems like whenever he threw a tantrum, they rewarded him for it. Feeding his entitlement complex.
      And it seems his father was mostly absent from his life.

      What a surprise, broken family produces a man not capable of handling the hardships of life.

      It seems like he was only attracted to 10/10 blonde stacies, but at the same time he blamed them not being attracted to him (an average guy).

      His entitlement would make any leftist proud.

      Now obviously he was also living in one of the most hypergamus areas in the world, which wasn’t very helpful either.

    2. Elliot here means Elliot Rodgers? Sleazy wrote about him in his forum.

      I think he was above average when it comes to look. He had strong jawline, and had a rather handsome face.

      He was bullied a lot though. Being bullied seems to leave very deep psychological wounds to many people.

      Kevin Kreider, a Korean-American, who spoke out for Asian American men, was also bullied as a kid, and hence developed a really slow self-esteem.

      I generally adhere to the moto: “If you are a man, you must know how to fight.”

      If you were trained since youth to fight, then almost no bullies can touch you.

    3. Also, Sleazy said he was highly intelligent. I concur this. He was very articulated, his writing shows a high degree of cogency.

      In general, what a waste. I moan his death. He could be everything he want to be. He’s got everything any man wish to ever have.

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