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Open Thread 2018 (#8)

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  1. I just wanted to say: Chad, Brad, Tyrone, Jamal… it’s brilliant 😀

    Not so much their muslim and latino equivalents. Mohammed and José are a bit too common, like John or Jack, so they don’t have the same punch IMO.

    Better options would be Reza for the muslim, Manuel for the latino (yeah, I’m a stereotype. 😀 ).

  2. Some of the previous comments on your blog got me thinking about something that bugged me for a while; how sheltered and closed minded a lot of guys into pickup and the manosphere are.

    I saw a couple of previous comments where people were referring to people like Tommy Lee as “deadbeats” and you had to explain that rockstars aren’t deadbeats. This should be obvious, given that any rockstar is succesful, rich and famous. A lot of guys in the “community” however seem to look at any guy with a lot of tattoos and piercings and see a loser though.

    This issue is worst in Roissy/Roosh/ROK sphere of gamers. Remember how Roissy used to constantly bash hipsters on his blog and imply they weren’t manly enough to be “alpha”? These guys even took this to the extent of saying men should never wear skinny jeans: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/dress-like-a-sexy-beast/

    On Roissy’s blog, ROK and the Roosh forum they are constantly complaining about girls with tattoos, piercings, Skrillex hair, unnatural hair colours etc. I am not saying any of those things are attractive, or that I want to marry a girl that is covered in tattoos, but the reaction these guys have to them reveals a lot about them.

    Basically it seems like a lot of these people have no experience with any kind of alternative culture or lifestyle at all. If you hang around with punks, goths or even ravers, tattoos and piercings are common and normal. But these guys seem to be so sheltered and closed minded that they only hang around with conventional average Joes and go to mainstream bars and clubs.

    There’s nothing wrong with being a “regular guy”, but it’s incongruent to want to be a player who sleeps with > 100 women but want nothing to do with hipsters or alternative culture and write about how you hate girls with tattoos. Who are the girls that are “sexually open minded” and most likely to sleep with you the same night they met you? Alternative chicks, be that punks, goths, hippies, crusties or even hipsters. The chick with blue hair and a full sleeve tat is much more likely to be DTF random dudes than the nice conventional middle class girl that would never dream of getting a tattoo or staying up all night at a rave. If you want to sleep with loads of girls you’ll have more luck hanging out with punks or ravers than you will going out to a pop music club looking for women on a “girls night out”. If you present yourself as a socially conservative guy, then you’ll attract socially conservative women, who are mostly looking for a boyfriend. They might have casual sex as well, but only when they think people won’t find out about it, as they don’t move in circles where people are nonjudgmental about that kind of thing.

    1. Overdrive: Some guys go for quality girls. Others fuck everything that moves. And i can relate to those guys that have these standards. Those women with the tattoo’s, blue hair etcetera just won’t do it for me. Not even for a meaningless fuck. If those are the options available. I would rather jerk off and call it a day. The juice is not worth the squeeze. I only feel attraction to a very select number of women. Less than one percent of all women are fuckable to me. Those other 99% are just not going to do it for me. Sure that means i would never have the maximum number lay count. But why would that bother me. I rather have one great night with a 10. Than 100 nights with 6’s. Seems like wasted time, energy and money to me. But if painted whores do it for you. (or whatever) He good for you. I’m not going to judge. Do whatever you like. It’s just not for me.

    2. Ben, I’m saying guys *should* be chasing after alternative girls. You band the girls you like most. I’m just saying that people who take the time to write blog posts/ROK articles/start forum threads just to complain about women dyeing their hair pink or having septum piercings reveal themselves to be completely separate to the kind of worlds these girls come from. I don’t think “painted whores” are my kind of girl. But if a hot girl wants to sleep with me, why would I disqualify her just because she’s dyed her hair a silly colour or has a lip ring?

    3. Overdrive: I did fuck a bunch of crazy wiccans once. But that was a long time ago. I was stoned like a motherfucker and they were already naked dancing in the woods or whatever. Does that count?
      As i was saying, not going to judge. Did plenty crazy stuff myself. I just got bored with it. And women in general. The average woman just doesn’t light any sparks for me anymore. I figure it’s the same for those PUA guys. After fucking a couple 10’s you just don’t want to put any energy into anything less. It just doesn’t seem worth it anymore.

    4. I get your point overdrive. It looks hypocritical how they want lots of quick sex, but criticize the girls who give it up most easily.

      That’s not entirely a contradiction though. World isn’t black-and-white that way.

      It isn’t that you have on one side

      – the no casual or quick sex ever conservative chicks
      – the fully tatted up chicks who find doing gangbangs and orgies normal

      You can have quick porn-like sex with the middle ground. I’ve only ever in my life had casual sex with zero dating.

      I don’t remember seeing a single tattoo on any of the chicks I banged.

  3. Obviously the first sentences should read:

    Ben, I’m NOT saying guys *should* be chasing after alternative girls. You bang the girls you like most.

    1. Overdrive: Those alternative types are often fucked in the head. So it’s not totally crap advice to avoid them by the way. Speaking from experience sadly. Great fucking skills sometimes. But lots of trouble afterwards. Not worth it to me. But each his own. They just are not very mentally stable in my experience. Just a warning.

  4. I’ve personally gotten to the point where just flirting with a 10 gives me way more pleasure than banging a six-seven. Based on actual experience of banging plenty of those so I know what pleasure i get.

    And by a 10 I mean character-wise… Sometimes she might be as “low” as an physically, but she’s a 10 in her femininity. A high quality super feminine chick. Where just interacting with her fills you with endorphins.

    1. And by a 10 I mean character-wise… Sometimes she might be as “low” as an physically, but she’s a 10 in her femininity

      Should have said

      And by a 10 I mean character-wise… Sometimes she might be as “low” as an *eight* physically, but she’s a 10 in her femininity.

  5. Hey, y’all. Two male friends recently asked me if I was an incel. I feel like “incel” is being used as an insult towards me and that my way of living is shameful. Improving my life is taking more time than I would like to admit, but that does not mean I will suddenly pick up a weapon and murder innocents. Admittedly, I do dislike women to a great degree . I was rejected harshly once or twice. How do I let go of my anger and what should my reply to them be?

    1. Novicious: What’s your way of living? This isn’t exactly a incell hangout. Not that we are hostile towards them. I’m afraid we just need a little more info about your personal situation. Or you can contact Aaron with e-mail if you want a more personal advice one on one. I’m sure some people here would like to give you advice. But you don’t give us much to work with. Maybe a basic introduction could give us a little insight. Whats your situation? And how would you like it to be instead?

    2. Get into a hobby that involves a ton of women. Over time you’ll find you naturally have lots of female friends. Even if you aren’t friendly, with enough exposure and quantity, many of them will befriend you. That will shift how you view them quite a lot.

      The problem is the start… at first you might be unapproachable, so they don’t approach you and befriend you. And also if you see each girl as your chance of having sex. It’s best if it’s a place where you don’t have a goal of getting laid… so the friendships can form naturally.

      If anything, the “2nd tier” method works well. Like all girls have friends. I’m not interested in getting with any of the girls here. I might try with their friends, cousins etc.

  6. I thought about something that happened in Singapore while watching a video on baby rabies. It’s often said that when baby rabies strikes, women can be selfishly and irresponsibly willing to conceive a child out of wedlock, i.e become single mothers. They don’t consider how the lack of a father figure for their child can lead to debilitating outcomes, or at least don’t think it’s crucial enough to not proceed. On the other hand even if men want kids, there’s no trend of them acting on a “babies at all costs” mentality if there isn’t a suitable parter/mother of their children in sight. Blame female solipsism, or biological differences?

    In 2013, a 50-year old Singaporean celebrity managed to have a baby boy through IVF after undergoing one miscarriage, spending at least $100,000 on artificial insemination procedures, *and $70,000 on a sperm donor from a Chinese Malaysian.* I think she was still married but had been separated from her husband for years. That relationship status seems complicated and I’m not going to dig further.

    Links here:
    http://www.asiaone.com/health/getai-star-liu-lingling-controversial-childbirth-50-gave-my-health-boost
    http://www.asiaone.com/health/liu-ling-ling-no-regrets-having-baby-50

    My jaw truly dropped when I first heard about her case… So might yours.

    1. Sleazy’s Gal: (t’s often said that when baby rabies strikes, women can be selfishly and irresponsibly) You have no idea until you experience it first hand. Women become absolutely intolerable when they have baby rabies. Had to experience it twice now. Broke up with my last girlfriend because of it. It takes over their entire brain. They can’t think or talk about anything else other than baby, baby, baby, baby. It’s horrible. It’s almost the same as a alcoholic or a junkie willing to do anything for a fix. You can’t trust them. They lie, cheat and deceive. They turn into animals totally obsessed with reproduction. Absolutely horrible! (except that they want to have sex all day. And fuck like a wild animal) And it can strike every woman at any moment. Young as 14 or old as 50. It’s like a switch is turned and they turn into a totally different person over night. Just scary.

    2. baby rabies … You have no idea until you experience it first hand. Women become absolutely intolerable when they have baby rabies. … It takes over their entire brain. They can’t think or talk about anything else other than baby, baby, baby, baby. It’s horrible. It’s almost the same as a alcoholic or a junkie willing to do anything for a fix. You can’t trust them. They lie, cheat and deceive. They turn into animals totally obsessed with reproduction. Absolutely horrible! (except that they want to have sex all day. And fuck like a wild animal) And it can strike every woman at any moment. Young as 14 or old as 50. It’s like a switch is turned and they turn into a totally different person over night. Just scary.

      Replace “baby” with “f*cking” and, in a stroke, you suddenly understand the female perspective of the men around them. 🙂

    3. baby rabies … You have no idea until you experience it first hand. Women become absolutely intolerable when they have baby rabies. … It takes over their entire brain. They can’t think or talk about anything else other than baby, baby, baby, baby. It’s horrible. It’s almost the same as a alcoholic or a junkie willing to do anything for a fix. You can’t trust them. They lie, cheat and deceive. They turn into animals totally obsessed with reproduction. Absolutely horrible! (except that they want to have sex all day. And fuck like a wild animal) And it can strike every woman at any moment. Young as 14 or old as 50. It’s like a switch is turned and they turn into a totally different person over night. Just scary.

      Replace “women” with “men” and “baby” with “f*cking” and, in a stroke, you suddenly understand the female perspective of so many of the men around them. 🙂

    1. She’s probably making less money on her divorce than she previously anticipated. Now she’s looking for ways to maximise her profits. She’s in total greedy bitch, grab everything you can mode. As most women are when they are divorcing a man. I wouldn’t be surprised if this dude did nothing rong at all. Women often keep children away from their fathers during and after divorce. This man is probably just desperate to hear his own child’s voice.

  7. Battlefield 5 drama and the pattern of left-wing failure in their understanding of the counter push.

    I use to a Battlefield fan, Use to be as i officially boycott it’s creaters now, For any of you interested in video games. You probably already picked up the drama of the massive failure of the battlefield 5 release event. After ruining Ghostbusters, Marvel comics and Starwars the SJW have now also officially raped the Battlefield series. And their reaction against the backlash is predictable. When half your hardcore loyal fanatic fanbase is pissed off because you’re pushing your political agenda. You spit in their face, call them names and slender the people that have made your company rich. It’s Starwars all over again. Dont these people know anything about economics? Dont these people understand that insulting the people that make you rich. Maybe just isn’t a great way to sell your products? Fucking idiots. Why the fuck do they think that guys want to play as a disabled redhaired lesbian soldier in ww2?

    1. Oh, she’s even disabled?
      Geez…

      I checked out the trailer and I didn’t understand anything. Like, no clear line of what are the features or what the gameplay is like. But I did enjoy the “notmybattlefield” hashtag. I think the official youtube trailer got almost as much thumbs down then thumbs up.
      Would be interesting to know what the demographic is of BF players. I don’t think the 16yo guys really get what this is about. If they do and also boycott it, even better – still some hope left.

      “pattern of left-wing failure in their understanding of the counter push. ”

      I’d be interested to hear if there are more examples of a counterpush. For now it seems to b e pro-state, pro-immigration, pro-high taxes and all the other commie shit. Got more info on that?

    2. Neutralrandomthoughts: Most guys playing battlefield are in their 20s and 30s but there are also teens playing. It has a older fanbase than most shooters as it was more focused on strategic teamplay. And it has been around for some time now.
      As for the pushback. It’s not just Battlefield. Marvel had to rethink it’s strategy after it lost it’s fanbase. And the new Starwars movie will not make a profit. People are increasingly voting with their wallets. It’s absolutely stupid for them to think they will somehow convert people to the left. By putting their SJW propaganda in the entertainment of people that are largely on the political right. It’s only pissing people off. And costing them huge amounts of money. Most people that are into the ww2 theme are also interested in historical facts about that time. Putting disabled british women with blue make-up and a black dude with a katana into a british special forces unit of ww2. Is just as believable as a t-rex. And somehow they are surprised people don’t like it.

    3. Neutralrandomthoughts: They also removed all nazi symbols. Because it could offend someone. So now we have a WW2 game without nazis. With badass disabled feminist with prostetic arms and black dudes with katana swords. Yheea? What’s next? Really WTF? And now they call their fanbase women haters and crybaby’s for not liking it.

    4. Damn… I imagined it was bad, but not that bad, e.g. removing swastikas.
      I guess you’ll never see a WWII game where you play a German soldier as part of the campaign. Always Russians, Brits or Americans. I watched a few walkthroughs of COD WWII and it seemed solid, though. But these games are not really tough anymore. Wolfenstein had me start a several checkpoints over and over again, I mean that was difficult sometimes. You had to think a bit. But most of the stuff is just “shoot nazis left, right and center” or alternatively in Modern Warfare it’s “shoot Russians left, right and center”.
      Boooring.

  8. “https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-27/hong-kong-women-left-unsatisfied-grass-eating-sexless-nerds”

    Sleazy Gal, any comments on this one?

    (Let’s ignore the wanky argumentation and the mixing up of Japanese “otaku” and Chinese fertility rates).

    I’m particulary interested in your view on comment(s) by “DownWithYogaPants”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/comment/11741748#comment-11741748

    Like, is it really that bad?

    Also, I mean… if “demographics are faith” and if I look at China’s debt levels in addition to their demographic, they’re kinda fucked if you ask me.

    1. I don’t know about Hong Kong women acting like entitled princesses. But I think materialism is a given due to female nature, Chinese culture and their level of development. I think what’s really bleak about Hong Kong to me though, is that it’s a city on steroids: skyscrapers abound, working hours are long, property prices sky high (and therefore apartments tiny). And you can only elect a pre-approved Chief Executive screened by the CCP. It’s all too soul-sapping.

  9. Ben: 29. 5′ 8″. 152. Half-Filipino. I am a recluse that does not venture far from his apartment unless absolutely necessary. I do visit local game stores from time to time. My social and sex life are nonexistent even after advice from forum-goers. My blue-collar job pays $10 and I do not know how to “move up” and make more money. I did manage to save enough pennies to buy an A+ certification exam guide and Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training.

    My underdeveloped social skills cause me to experience awkward situations. I am quick to anger and lash out when I feel disrespected. My brother is my roommate, but I can no longer be a parasite as he and his girlfriend are kicking me out of our apartment later this year. They are giving me time to figure out my finances and look for lodging before she moves in.

    I know little of incels, but to others, I fit the description. Oh, and fret not, society. My father and brother believe that I would commit suicide or target someone else if I owned a gun. Hence, I have never owned a firearm of any kind.

    1. Novicious: It seems you have more than just one problem. And women shouldn’t be your primary focus now. The women problem will solve itself as you improve other parts of your life. Working out is a great start. Dont expect a fast fix. It’s just not realistic to think it will all be different in a few months. It’s seems you’ve been living this life pattern for some time. Changing your routine is the only way. Moving out of your brothers place could be a very positive thing. But only if you make it so. Sitting in your room and feeling sorry for yourself isn’t going to make things better. And being angry is oke for some time. But holding on to that anger for to long isn’t healthy. You can’t change how other people act. Only your own actions. What are you doing to make your own life better? Maybe you can look for someone to support you. The first period of changing your habits is the hardest. It’s tempting to give up when you’re not getting the results fast enough. Just make a good plan and stick with it.

    2. Novicious: It’s hard to say for sure. But it seems the biggest problem would be insecurity. Maybe you can improve that by achieving some goals you set for yourself. Dont make these goals unrealistic. I always did martial arts. And maybe it’s an idea to check some things out. I believe it could possibly help you a great deal. Even if you start only ones or twice a week. It can help you get in better shape. But also let off some steam. And make you feel more sure and practice self-discipline. Meanwhile maybe you can have a escort sometimes. You can simply explain the situation. These girls have seen it all. So no reason for shame. And you’ll likely never see her again anyway. Just have fun and get some of the poison out. Dont make it a big deal. Drink ONE drink 30 min in advance. Just tell the escort agency the type of girl you’re looking for. They probably have whatever you like. Good luck bro.

    3. Novicious: Maybe you can hire the escort for 2 or 3 hours the first time. Gives you some time to have that drink together and have a chat with her. The pressure will also be less intense when you can take your time. Again good luck.

    4. “I always did martial arts. And maybe it’s an idea to check some things out. I believe it could possibly help you a great deal. Even if you start only ones or twice a week. It can help you get in better shape. But also let off some steam. And make you feel more sure and practice self-discipline. ”

      True that.
      If it’s a martial art which involves close combat like judo, wrestling or jiu-jitsu, then this helps you for physical escalation.
      My confidence in touching girls (people in general) went up quite a bit after only one year of once-per-week of wrestling. There are few wrong ways to touch someone, like, tactically wrong places, but the most important thing is your attitude while you do it. The same way it’s a no-big-deal (actually it is a necessity) to have your hips pressed against a guy’s ass, because you gotta make some throw, the same way you’ll be “no big deal” when dancing with a girl in a more intimate way. Being OK with physical contact towards guys can be translated to being OK with escalating on girls. Same for “being good with people” is the same as “being good with girls”. Women are not special with regards to approaching them, even if your dick, ehrrr, your brain tries to tell you something else.

    5. I heard that advice about martial arts in the early PUA days. Wish I didn’t listen to it. Just waste time and money. Didn’t do shit for me.

    6. P.S

      There are ton of guys with advanced belts in martial arts who are incel. I happen to know a couple of them. One was well on his way towards teacher status. Still incel.

    7. @Alek
      My take on this is that those guys for whom Martial Arts worked, would have done as great as they did without it.
      It was never the martial arts, but them just being the escalating Natural anyway. If your problem is in your head, martial art won’t fix it.

    8. Alek Novy: I don’t know about about your personal experience with martial arts. My personal experience has always been great. And i have seen many people transform for the better. Maybe you just had a bad school. It can make a great difference if you have a good teacher. I have seen other schools that didn’t come close to my standards. And it will take some time. It’s not at all like the movies. You cant become totally badass within a short time. You need practice and good guidance. And surely martial arts is not for everyone. And there are many different martial arts. There are good and bad schools. But looking around and maybe try some different things and schools will be better than sitting in his room. He has to go out and look for something he can be passionate about. It doesn’t have to be martial arts. But it would likely benefit him.

    9. Alek Novy: People are incell for many different reasons. And martial arts cant fix everything. Just as PUA theories cant turn a man into a lady killer on it’s own. SMV is the grand total of many different factors combined. Martial arts can have a positive effect on some of these factors. Simply having some guidance to help him get in good shape alone would be a positive. But being incell isn’t his greatest problem right now anyway. Women shouldn’t be his focus. His focus should be improving himself and his day to day life. If he’s not even happy with himself. Than why should any woman accept him?

    10. My social and sex life are nonexistent even after advice from forum-goers. My blue-collar job pays $10 and I do not know how to “move up” and make more money.

      Suggestion: don’t spend so much time reading online forums – at least those focusing on relationships and sex. Instead, find some way to force yourself to go out and watch and interact with people in real life. If you’re able to carry yourself through the highs and lows of that for long enough, you’ll gain more than from any amount of advice given online. If you don’t know where to start, use meetup.com and eventbrite and the like to find free events in your area. A straightforward way to make more money is to get a second job.

      Also: to each his own, but I disagree with comments here about considering escorts or anything of that sort. If you’re a guy who has problems socializing, then escorts won’t help you and might even end up making things worse by encouraging you to be even more reclusive. Also, think hard about what’s actually going on if you end up using escort services and how you might feel about it in the long run. Investigative documentaries such as this one make things pretty clear:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGrUhQIQRs4

      Using escorts may also acclimate you to women that you’d never otherwise meet in real life. You can be satisfied eventually by working your way through life to attracting a girl who is well-matched for you, but if you get used to regular sex with pornstar-like women (who may also be giving you fake signs of emotion too), then the “lesser” women you meet in real life may soon not be enough to satisfy for you anymore. Many guys report that porn itself has that exact problem.

    11. Hilarious and accurate… watch this video below and see if it relates to your situation.

      Millennials aren’t interested in having sex. Here’s whose fault that is.

    12. Rick:

      I strongly disagree with that video. I think the barrier to entry to sex and relationships nowadays is too high for most guys. It’s too much effort to get rejected and have your self-esteem pounded all just to find a below average girl that is a bitch and belittles you. Add to that that she might accuse you of sexual assault or cheat and it becomes obvious that it’s not worth it. That guy puts the onus solely on guys, but even a strong guy can’t change ingrained ideas and bad behavior in a girl. And to anyone who doesn’t have the prerequisite LMS (looks, money, status) to find a decent one, it’s just as Aaron says. Find a way to give purpose to your life so that you can live happily without women. There is no shame in quitting games rigged against you. Don’t be a hero.

  10. I’ve toyed around with the idea of banging a hot escort, but it seems that if you’re in the USA the really hot girls aren’t going to fuck just any dude with a wad of cash. They usually have some kind of strict standards.

    First off, if you’re a black guy then you’re available pool of quality whores is automatically cut down a significant amount. There may even be an age requirement of at least 35-40 years old. Then there is a screening process that typically requires you to have 2-3 references. I may even be missing some big points here.

    An exotic trip might be more fruitful if you wanted to go down this route, I’m thinking. Either that or lower your standards, which makes me just laugh myself silly thinking about it. That the average dude in the USA just isn’t going to consistently fuck hot women unless he literally raises his SMV (LMS). At least that’s the conclusion I’m coming to.

    1. “That the average dude in the USA just isn’t going to consistently fuck hot women unless he literally raises his SMV (LMS)”

      I just want to clarify that statement. I mean, most men in the USA aren’t going to consistently bang hot women no matter what they do. I know the whole 80/20 rule. I’m strictly speaking in terms of paying for sex with the hottest escorts.

    2. I can’t speak for the USA other than what i’ve heard. And i only have a few experiences with escorts myself. All in the Netherlands where prostitution is legal and very well regulated. And it’s not even that i have trouble getting laid. I just don’t want drama anymore. And i don’t really like western women anymore anyway. So escorts are a good option here. As you can get really hot women here. And the escort service i use is highly professional. No drama, dirty girls or crazy pimps. The girls look and dress better than most women you encounter in daily life. Sure they ain’t as cheap as the typical whore in Amsterdam. But the prices are oke considered they always have 9s and 10s. And the typical Amsterdam whore will be a 7 at the very very best, if you’re lucky. Mostly Amsterdam whore’s are 5s But escorts are great here. Always between 18 and 25 and really hot. Otherwise nobody would use them here as sex is easily available. So they have to compete either on price or quality. I go for quality.

    3. But if everything fails and you really want a good time with beautiful women. One word … Thailand!
      Thailand has it all.

    4. Pickernanny: When even the whores are rejecting men. Even when they have plenty cash. You just know your society is fucked. Dammm #whoresonstrike

    5. ben, what’s the pricing for these 9s and 10s prostitutes in Netherlands?
      How much do you pay for say 2-3hours?

      Damn, I kinda screwed up my timing. Now that I’m in a relationship I’m going on a 3 week vacation to Bangkok and Koh Samui… lol

    6. Neutralrandomthoughts: Netherlands high class escorts are about 320-340 euro for two hours. If you want 9s and 10s. They get cheaper per hour if you hire them for more hours. This is when you use the professional escort service. A full night between 1000 and 1400.

      I did manage to get her private nr once and made a deal without the agency knowing for 600 full night. But this is rare however. She really has to like you. She later became a fuck buddy for free. So she clearly did like me.

    7. @Ben,

      Thanks for the suggestions haha. I did watch a Thai guide once and it looked like it’d be really easy to rack up on some experience there. Never considered the Netherlands before. Probably the safer bet overall, I’m guessing.

      Even in in Nevada, USA, as we talked about on a previous open thread, the quality is horrendous.

    8. Pickernanny: If you want women. Thailand will clearly be nr1. If you want to make a euro trip, you have plenty cash and want to have some women along the way. I guess you could make a stop in the Netherlands and order an escort. But i wouldn’t do it just for the prostitution. Thailand will give you more bang for your buck. And the climate plus party scene is much better in Thailand. The Netherlands would be more interesting if you’re a stoner as well. As smoking canabis products is also legal in the Netherlands. Something you should never do in Thailand.

    9. @Ben:

      I’ve been looking into Thailand a bit and it does seem like a Western guy could have a ton of fun there. Sure, there are tons of professional and semi-pros, however I thought it might be more fitting for me to use an online dating service a few weeks before going in. I’d spend about a couple weeks there and have a few regular girls on tap to show me around.

      Spending money on some food dates and buying drinks seems much less sleazy, idk. And I’d have the plesantry of getting to know some feminine women for STRs and I think that’s more what I’m wanting actually. I’m well aware of female nature, but I think it would be good for a man to actually have some experience with women that are seemingly much more charming, submissive and feminine than anything I’ll find in my neck of the woods.

      I’m not sure how open Thai women are to meeting and dating short-term with foreigners, but from what I’ve read there are quite a few that are receptive to meeting them. I imagine their logic is the hope of ensaring a good-looking, reasonably well off foreigner in the end. And of course I’d be playing off of that. Just a thought.

    10. Pickernanny: Thailand is absolutely great. I’m in the process of immigration. Just be careful. Be very very careful! Specially with Thai bar girls. (most english speaking Thai girls on dating sites are bar girls) They are beautiful but also dangerous. You wouldn’t be the first to lose everything on a Thai bar girl. Not to say you can’t have fun with them. But there are many desperate people in Thailand. And desperate people do desperate things. Including scams on Western men for money. Just be careful. It’s easy to forget everything when you feel you’re in paradise with beautiful angels. Never forget you’re still on earth and these girls are professional prostitutes. Not angels at all. Far from it. They are the best scam artist in the world. Never let your guard down. And never never never transfer money.

  11. Btw, my comments don’t get approved automatically like most of you due to Aaron’s custom setting. Got to watch the gf just in case, y’know 😉

    1. Oh no, honey, it’s not that. By putting your comments in moderation, I ensure that I never, ever miss any of them.

  12. Neutralrandomthoughts: (Damn, I kinda screwed up my timing. Now that I’m in a relationship I’m going on a 3 week vacation to Bangkok and Koh Samui… lol) Ya bad timing. On other hand you might just go for it anyway. As she probably is never going to believe you anyway. I surely would never believe any woman that go’s on holiday and says nothing happened. Let alone a guy in Thailand. It’s like playing with fire. It’s almost impossible not to get laid in Thailand. If you really want to stay loyal. You are going to be one poor blue balled sorry basterd after 3 weeks Thailand. I’m not sure they will let you back on the plane with balls that big without paying extra for the weight.

    1. Making an academic career out of being a “sex-positive” woman is a sign of the end times.

  13. Aaron,
    In your consultations, what were some of the biggest before and after changes you saw with someone and what did you have them change?

    1. Are they trying to imply that beta men resort to the “red pill sphere”?
      Wouldn’t fully disagree actually

    2. Considering the fact that 90% of men are “beta males”… that’s hardly an insult.

      I always love it when I see feminists shame men online by saying things you can’t even get laid.

      It’s funny, coz that’s like me saying to a woman “you’re not even a supermode”. How is that an insult? Average men can’t get laid, they have to beg, plead and get lucky once every couple of years.

      Just like the average woman isn’t getting offers to be on the cover of beauty magazines…

    3. Are they trying to imply that beta men resort to the “red pill sphere”?

      That’s the equivalent of saying “Chad Thundercock isn’t attracted to the manosphere”… Well no shit, he’s too busy swimming in pussy to care about anything serious. He probably doesn’t even know who’s the president of his country or can name the continents. Just like supermodels can’t.

      We (the commenters on this blog) are a very very very very rare third category. I’d say like 99% of men on the planet fall in two categories:

      – The guy who’s been getting laid naturally left and right since he was 13 without even knowing how, coz pussy has been thrown at him
      – The beta guy who’s average is 4-5 partners in a lifetime as had to get lucky and beg for each one

      We, the guys on here, are a very unique third category. We weren’t Chad Thundercock (who had 100 lays by the time he turned 18), but we’re not betas either.

    4. “We, the guys on here, are a very unique third category. We weren’t Chad Thundercock (who had 100 lays by the time he turned 18), but we’re not betas either.”
      Greqt comment. Had a chat with my boss over a beer last week. And this came up. So, he’s the rich kid, good looking, elite environment, ultrawell connected. To quote him, “I see women on the street and I don’t know if I fucled her 30 years ago”. Lotsa parties, exclusive clubs, Swiss High society during the 80s, man… you name it. These guys got laid every weekend, because of status and money. To top it off, he’s good looking.
      So, I threw this at him, that his success with women was due to him hitting the jackpot, because he said something like “They guys who don’t get laid were just not willing to to what’s necessary to lay that particular chick”. This cracked me up and I explained to him what LMS is and how it impacts your SMV
      This got him thinking and he said, that I’m kind of the philosopher, and that I tjink a lot about things. To which I replied, “well yeah, while you were just applying things which fell into your lap, I had to understand the system and put some work in.”
      My take away is this: Good looking people might sorta be aware that they are good looking. I never though much of my face but recently I’ve started realizing that I have an above average face and that it helped a lot.
      But: people born into status, are practically never aware of how much it helped them.
      “You know, we were in Spain and we were pulling chicks in a regular club and it worked as well” he told me once. I”m like: “Yeah but lemme guess, you brought them back to your huge rented mansion, right?” My boss: “Hahaha you’re right, that thing was huge, once they saw it, it was clear they’d fuck”.
      He was also not aware that his mindset is impacted by this when he talks to girls in the club – i.e. he has the “I dont need you” vibe. Because… well he doesnt. He’ll bang chicks back home in Switzerland on their exclusive parties.
      And we all know how chicks justbhave to bang the guy who is good looking but doesnt care about her.
      I am telling this to underline how much I agree with you about the rarity of people who are fully aware of the structure of the game and actually are able to use it. Not that I feel special, but, it’s just the way it is.

    5. I threw this at him, that his success with women was due to him hitting the jackpot, because he said something like “They guys who don’t get laid were just not willing to to what’s necessary to lay that particular chick”

      Interesting anecdote. Can you elaborate on what he himself was trying to get at when he said “willing to to what’s necessary to lay that particular chick”? Despite being oblivious to his status, it sounds like it wasn’t a complete cakewalk, even for a guy like him.

    6. But: people born into status, are practically never aware of how much it helped them.

      Yeah it’s similar to how when women give advice to men.

      “What do you mean you haven’t had sex, just leave the house and you’ll spontaneously meet someone, and it’ll get to sex”.

      or

      “Just dress well, and it i’ll happen automagically”…

      Because that’s the effort she has to put in if she wants to get laid. Go to place with lots of people, dress well (slutty)… that’s about it.

    7. Western dating culture is quite different from that of Asians. I can’t help but still marvel at the differences. Tinder and dating apps aside, how it works in Singapore at least is that people tend to date from within their social circle. It could be school, work, church, or an activity group. So you start out getting to know the other person in a group or platonic setting, and if there’s budding mutual attraction you take it further from there. And friends in the group will start teasing if they sense two people are gradually becoming an item.

      I think the key difference is that you first interact with the other person over an extended period of time before you make a move. Which does seem sensible if you need to assess whether the other person is relationship/marriage material. American sitcoms like How I Met Your Mother are quite unrelatable to me for this reason. Where I’m from there’s virtually no cold approaching of girls, however attractive they may be.

      Oh and how guys “make a move” is different too. It’s not even half as sexual as Westerners. They’ll flirt over text, ask you out for something (without saying it’s a date), be extra concerned and caring towards you, and any physical moves are quite mild really (even if frequent). Like touching the girl’s waist or arm, or patting her head playfully. And both sexes enjoy this process of courtship. It’s just seen as natural and normal. So is this innocent (with a positive connotation)…or beta? I’m going with the former 😀

    8. “Can you elaborate on what he himself was trying to get at when he said “willing to to what’s necessary to lay that particular chick”? Despite being oblivious to his status, it sounds like it wasn’t a complete cakewalk, even for a guy like him.”

      Hm, I guess he was being a bit of a friendly ignorant asshole, just the way he his, lol
      Naw, seriously now:
      Imagine, you meet the pre-requisite to fuck a particular chick. She finds you hot, and the logistics are OK. Then you still have some work to do. Let’s just give this effort a value of 10.
      If you make an effort as high as 10, then, considering the already favourable circumstances, you WILL fuck that particular girl. But if you are too lazy and only make an effort as high as 8, you will miss the chance of getting your dick wet.

      While this is true, what my boss is totally oblivious to, is the fact that not everybody meets the pre-requisites the way he met them.
      It’s like “How do you get the cup out of the cupboard?” – Well, you raise your hand, open the cupboard and get the cup out of it.
      If you tell this to a kid, who’s 50 cm tall, then it can raise its hand all it wants, but it won’t reach the cupboard to begin with. What my boss started to understand that evening, is how much of a head start he already had. Obviously this happened after a bit of elaboration from my side, which led him to call me a philosopher. Fine with me, I’m a philosopher who gets laid then hahahaha

    9. Neutral’s explanation and analogies are pretty good. I can give another from observing these kinds of guys.

      Every guy compares getting chicks to what it’s like in porn moves or even mainstream movies.

      – As an average guy, you learn that banging a chick is 10,000x more difficult than they make it in porn

      – If you’re chad thundercock it’s 100 times more difficult than in porn

      So when he says “Oh dude, it’s not easy, you actually have to put in the work”. He means that he has to do 100x more work than it looks like in porn. He doesn’t get that for the average guy it’s it’s multiple times more work.

    10. The cupboard analogy is great. I had the impression that he might also have meant something along the lines that even rich men have competition among themselves, so while it may be easier to get with random girls, it’s not always that easy to get with some specific girl. This is similar to how in nightclubs there are plenty of attractive women, but there can also be a lot of competition from the other men there, so it’s not always enough, if you’re eyeing some specific girl, to just be good looking and confident.

      I just found this and it’s too rich to pass up:

      Millionaires Spend $150K to Find Love
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UjaA54t_Nw

      The PUA-style review of how often the girl touches the guy is amusing enough, but then there’s the Q&A at 6:50:

      [interviewer] Are you looking only for those elite, very successful guys?

      [34yo] I’m looking for that personality, um… [oh sh*t… how should I answer this] …is dauntless. And passionate. About life.

      My guess is that contrary to what many people interested in pickup might believe, there are actually quite a lot of successful men who are similar to the one shown here.

    11. Every guy compares getting chicks to what it’s like in porn moves or even mainstream movies.

      I feel that this is partially responsible for the “beta male rage” attacks such as the recent one in Toronto. When you’re stuck with the impression that there are lots and lots of “Chads and Stacys” out there who are enjoying what you don’t and desperately want, and when the mainstream supports this idea and essentially condones and encourages behavior related to it, then it can lead to extreme resentment in some people.

    12. “I had the impression that he might also have meant something along the lines that even rich men have competition among themselves, so while it may be easier to get with random girls, it’s not always that easy to get with some specific girl.”

      Random girls: Usually this is taken care of by the fact that when rich men have parties and other get togethers, womena are very much over-represented relative to men, i.e. the oposite of a cock farm.

      Specific girls: If marriage is the deal, then usually other things come into play, where the difference between 3mio net income per year or 5 mio are not the deciding factor.

  14. Feminists support this as well for their own reasons.

    Just study the picture that feminists paint and it looks exactly like porn.

    Take a look at enthusiastic consent theories. They teach boys that if a girl has any interest in you, she’ll jump right at you and beg for your cock.

    They say that sex should involve continual loud and enthusiastic encouragement.

    Like they’re passing laws that sex is only legal if it sounds like a porn scene… Like “OMG that’s so amazing, oh please don’t stop that is soooo soooo good, oh yeah, just like that… Keep going OMG please more more, keep going”

    Look at some the feminist trolls we had on here. They claimed that to get laid you just leave the house and pick from any of the hundreds of women who eyefuck you. And if women aren’t eyefucking you everywhere you go? They can telepathically sense that you’re not feminist enough.

    1. Neutralrandomthoughts/AlekNovy: The only question left would be “is the juice worth the squeeze?” This is all depending on the guys SMV, the woman’s SMV. And the amount off energy the guy is willing to invest. The larger problem in the Western world would be that women largely overestimate their own SMV. And it only gets worse when they hit their 30s. Their desirability go’s down with their age. But their demands go up as they make career themselves. Their hypergamy makes them desire men of equal or higher social and financial status. But those men don’t want them anymore at that age.

  15. Aaron,

    During your mid 20’s until now, how active has your social life been in terms of friends? Did you have lots of friends, or just a few close friends and kept to yourself?

    1. This is beyond belief. Then again, due to Instagram and other venues, attention whores no longer need beauty pageants, so this sign of the end times is probably not as far-reaching as it may seem. Certainly, measured in the currency of social media, “likes”, women who fulfill “non-traditional” beauty standards don’t fare all that well.

    2. The one thing feminist hate more than white men. Beautiful women

      So no miss America, No girls at formula 1, No cheerleaders. No beautiful girls in modelling shows. etc
      The feminist have made almost all beautiful women jobless in only a year time. Maybe now these women understand that feminism isn’t for them?

    3. Maybe they can do the miss america thing on halloween? Feminist on the catwalk? Scares the hell out of me! Luckily they don’t do the bikini round anymore. That shit would give a man ptsd.

    4. Somehow I think they’d do the reverse. There would be a bikini display, but only for fat acceptance “models”. So the fit girls can’t do bikini. But there can be a bikini display for the promotion of fat acceptance.

    5. About social media vs beauty pageants. I think it’s only a matter of time before feminists ask for like quotas or something similar. Arguing about the fair distribution of likes and such.

    6. Semi-off-topic:

      Number of likes is a pretty decent metric of hotness. I used to debate PUAs who claimed they closed hot chicks.

      So I would just ask… Has she ever done paid modelling work (or hostess work)… And they would weasel out by saying… Oh well some hot girls don’t seek out to get paid for it.

      But the fact is… Hot girls are offered money for their looks all the time. Easy money. Like stand in the backdrop of this promotional video and make 200$. Nobody says no to that.

      Nowadays I would ask something like… Does she have 300-1000 likes on her pics? Because hot girls do.

      There are a few exceptions… Hot girls who are privaten on on social media and have a few friends. But for most chicks this applies.

  16. https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2018/06/05/go-ahead-try-to-make-this-stuff-up/amp/

    Women want higher grades because they work harder than men, instead of proving it in the exams.

    I can hear the bells of the apocalypse if this ever happens and a female engineer designs a bridge/plane/banking software when she has made up credentials but she worked hard as she is a female to beat the patriarchy.

    Although, think this is happening anyway. Considering I work in software and most of the women, mainly white, are completely slow despite lots of time to learn and help from senior devs. At least they don’t touch any actual code!!

    1. In my country they already do this in a way. They made homework part of the finanal score. So exam only counts for one third. The smaller test scores together one third. And homework one third. All so girls score higher. It’s insane.

    2. I’m sure in software engineering, these womyn “fail upwards”. While they may have some basic coding education, they probably cannot do the grunt work. Solution? Promote them to be managers and scrum masters!

      Sadly, these womyn then buy into how smart they are (software engineering is so easy! I got promoted, not because of diversity quotas!).

      Now I understand why those Dilbert cartoons about clueless managers and moron bosses are based on real life…

    3. This is sadly the reality. Sometimes, though, companies don’t promote just one but two women to fill one role, due to the high number of days they are missing. The most egregious case of a woman “failing up” the career ladder was an affirmative action university admit who needed one extra year to make it through her degree — a surprisingly common occurrence among women in STEM —, passed the introductory programming course in her last year, and got promoted to manager within less than half a year in her first job. The company in question has around 100,000 employees worldwide. The amount of bullshit I have experienced in the workforce is about enough to fill a book.

    4. Aaron, is buying a stake into a start-up and become a partner not an option for you at some point? I am pretty sure there is demand for niche products which are used by larger firms.
      Or have you on purpose stayed away from the start-up scene?

    5. I don’t live in a start-up hub, so I’d have to uproot my life if I wanted to get into that scene. Sometimes I’m playing with the idea to get into the next b.s. bubble and see if I can enrich myself a bit that way. For instance, Singapore has a big blockchain scene, and you’d be amazed to learn about the colossal amounts of b.s. people over there spew. You have completely unsustainable ideas and clueless investors, which isn’t a bad match, depending on where you’re sitting. Jumping on the blockchain bandwaggon would be a bit too late now, though.

    6. “Jumping on the blockchain bandwaggon would be a bit too late now, though.”

      Yes, it’s too late to raise 5 mio in a bullshit ICO, true that. But here’s a more mature thing you could do:
      Years from now, people will be willing to pay a lot for price data. Due to the decentralized nature of the crypto exchanges there will not be consensus on price, like there is on futures. Consequently you have a much larger playing field to begin with. If you start collecting price data from multiple sources, that is SPOT PRICE TICK DATA as well as INDIVIDUAL ORDER BOOK DEPTH of a couple of exchanges, I can think of at least two types of user who’ll gladly pay a lot of money for it: Index users, like index data providers or index fund providers and of course algorithmic trading houses.

      To give you an idea of how much high quality FX spot data costs nowadays, check out Olsen data: http://www.olsendata.com/data_products/pricing_wizard/
      (In data frequency, chose “tick by tick”, then “Bid and Ask”)
      –> A lousy one year of tick by tick data on one single currency pair will cost you 1800€, that is 150€ per month. And that’s data from just one single source broker.

      Sooner or later the bigger houses like Fidelity and BlackRock will bend to the retail croud asking to give them a vehicle to play the crypto theme and it will predominantly be index funds.

  17. In my company, (massive media company in uk), it is very hard to get a job as a developer. The women who have got in have come through graduate schemes or ‘getting women in tech’ schemes. Promotions within the department ie team leads are very hard to get and need to prove yourself technically. Although chances are that there are other opportunities to get a job in a different area, less technical and progress there.

    Here are a few stats of gender:

    – Devs Total: 39 Women devs: 8 (approx 20%)
    – Businesss Analysts (BA) Total 9, women: 6 (approx: 67%)
    – Testers: Total 18, women: 7 (approx 39%)

    Now the women testers, are pretty crap and basically rely on the devs to do most of their work, but they should be able to do some basic technical stuff. The Business analysts are non technical, but no the knowledge of what we do. As a BA there is a clear career path, testers not so much. So women generally tend to be BAs.

  18. The women devs by race are 2 chinese, 2 ukrainian, 4 English. It is the english girls (apart from one) who are basically lacking in skills and got the job due to gender rather than skills. Well they got pushed onto us from hhead office, as they would fail the interview to get into the department (they had no interview as they were part of the company and coming from another department).

    An example, A girl who started a couple of months after me, so been there for like 13/14 months, cannot do basic programming or know the knowledge of ideas. She just sits with people and do no programming. I dont know what she does, but obviously not learning in your spare time is not one of them. Yet she is being paid, more than me, and doing far less than me. She will be probably pushed to work as a BA or tester as our budget is tight to allow for slackers to hang on.

    I think women do fail upwards, but it will likely be in different non technical roles. Althouhg i would not be surprised in other companies if women get promoted to team leads, and do nothing and every one else makes the decisions, and she just is the “enabler for increasing synergy”

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